Noahide News

 

Part 118

Feb. 8, 2005 

Day 83 of 1290 of 2300

 

 The FINISH 

of Iniquity unto desolation for them who Deny the Christ, Jesus the Lord.

mason seal

Extra Extra

The Revelation of Jesus the Christ the Spirit of ALL Prophecy

Rev. 13:

11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The coming of the New Catholicos, Pontifex Maximas, of Sime-On Magus in the Order of the High Priesthood of Nimrod of babylon.......Just in time for the Moshiach to be "Revealed" By the Ten Shomrei ha Saf, Illuminated "Masters" of the Revived Sanhedrin beast which came up out of the seas October 13, 2004 

http://212.2.162.45/news/story.asp?j=132879084&p=y3z87979x&n=132879844

Pope was 'minutes from death'
07/02/2005 - 14:44:39 The Pope came within minutes of death when he was rushed to hospital last week, according to new reports.

The Pope came within minutes of death when he was rushed to hospital last week, according to new reports.

Despite gasping for breath and feeling as though he was suffocating, he twice refused to go to hospital, medical staff told Catholic magazine Inside the Vatican.

“We caught him by a whisker,” one said. “If he had come in 10 minutes later, he would have been gone.”

Pope John Paul II’s top adviser first encouraged him to go to hospital when he began having trouble breathing, but the 84-year-old pontiff “decisively shook his head”, the magazine reports.

He sat down for dinner as normal and soon suffered a coughing attack and was gasping for breath.

But despite the best efforts of his closest aides, it was not until two hours later that the Pope finally relented, it is claimed.

He was rushed to hospital in the same ambulance that rescued him after an assassination attempt in May 1981.

The 10th floor of Rome’s Gemelli Polyclinic is permanently reserved for the Pope in case of emergency, but in this case he was probably taken down to a basement intensive care unit with advanced life support equipment, medical staff suggest.

The reports contradict the official word from the Vatican, where spokesmen have maintained the frail Pope simply suffered a bout of the flu.

A day after he appeared at his hospital window, the Vatican has announced he will remain in hospital for a few more days as a precaution.

Papal spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said the Pope had no fever, was eating regularly and has been sitting in a chair every day for several hours. Officials said his sixth night at the clinic had passed calmly.

“His doctors have advised him to stay a few more days,” Mr Navarro-Valls said. He has also been reading the newspapers, “just to follow in the papers the evolution of my health”.

The 10-minute appearance at an open window yesterday gave the public its first glimpse of the pontiff since his hospitalisation.

But the delivery of his blessing created some controversy. A piece of paper covering his face raised suspicion that the voice heard via loud-speaker was actually a recording of the Pope, a suggestion passed off as “nonsense” by the Vatican.

“In this hospital, in the middle of other sick people to whom my affectionate thoughts go out, I can continue to serve the church and the whole of humanity,” the message said.

The Pope, who has Parkinson’s disease and hip and knee conditions, was taken to hospital on February 1. The illness forced him to cancel his first meetings in 16 months.

The next medical bulletin will be issued by the Vatican at noon (local time) on Thursday.

 

In time for the Triumphant entry of the Son of perdition? Every king of ISRAEL must have a Prophet. 
Will the new pope be RE ? Is Re El?

Giovanni Battista RE?

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/cardinali_biografie/cardinali_bio_re_gb_en.html

Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops and President of the Pontifical Commission for Latin America, was born on 30 January 1934 in Borno (Brescia), Italy. He was ordained for the Diocese of Brescia on 3 March 1957 and holds a doctorate in canon law from the Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome.

He taught in the Brescia seminary and served as a curate before entering the Holy See's diplomatic service. He was posted to Panama and Iran, until being recalled to the Secretariat of State, where he served as personal secretary to Archbishop Giovanni Benelli. In 1979 he was named Assessor.

On 9 October 1987 he was appointed Secretary of the Congregation for Bishops and titular Archbishop of Vescověo, receiving episcopal consecration on 7 November. Two years later he was named Substitute of the Secretariat of State, a post he held for 11 years.

On 16 September 2000 the Holy Father appointed him Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops and President of the Pontifical Commission for Latin America.

President Delegate for the 10th Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops (October 2001).

Curial membership:

  • Secretariat of State (second section)
  • Doctrine of Faith (congregation)
  • Vatican City State (commission)

Created and proclaimed Cardinal by John Paul II in the consistory of 21 February 2001, Title of Most Holy Twelve Apostles. Tranferred to order of cardinal bishops on 1 October 2002, suburbicarian see of Sabina-Poggio Mirteto.

 

 

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Questions from David Michael to the Sanhedrin, rib-eye Dov Levanoni, and his response on "Goyim Slavery" unto the shemgods of Hoodlum hoo haha

Michael's Questions in Green

 

Dov <dbtc@actcom.co.il> wrote:

In every nation you will find stupid extremest. According the jewish othodox law it is forbiden to kill a gentile

.WHAT ABOUT THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION?????

This was never. Please wrote who are the members of this “ELDERS”, It is one of the thousands blood accuasation done by Gentiles in order to defend there imitation faith from the real source faith As was given by G_D.

WHAT ABOUT EVERY "JEW" WILL HAVE A 2,800 GOYIM SLAVES???

According jewish faith the spiritual value of a person is mesuerd only by his size of obligation he agree to take on himself in order to save G_D.

The minimal size of obligation is that size recommended in 7 orders as written in that sitehttp://www.beith-din.com/ben-noach.htm

The maximal size is to be a jew and to suffer for your faith .

There is a degree between these two degrees. This is the degree of a gentile slave to a jew. Because such a person has to keep almost all the obligations of a jew. So this bring him to a better stage than to be a Gentile.  

At the future when the redemption will happened a Gentile will not be able to convert himself to be a jew because all the nations will start to admire Jews because of their agreement to suffer. Every one will want to have their new status. But than this step will canceled. In such a case every Gentile will want to be near to the princes of G-D=the jews and to have more obligation for G-D. Than at this time, the only way will remain to be a slave to a jew. No jew will want to force any Gentile to be a salve. It will be an eagerness of the Gentiles. That’s is the explenation how it is possible. It will be a charity of Jews to agree to have more slaves.

 

You are construcing an imagination concept with no base.

 ALL QUOTES ARE FROM JEWISH LEADERS WORLD WIDE, CHECK THE SOURCES, HOW DO I HAVE NO BASE?

Please write explicitly In which book and page you found these imagination sources

The jewish nation. Was spread by rough occupation of Israel land all over the world. Especially the spiritual jewish leaders were murderds. In ISRAEL and after that at the diaspora. That’s the reason why its happen that undegree persons took on themselves leading position and corrupt the Jewish entity from inside.  The Jewish crowed was loosing there faith because of luck of Jewish education (Which was controlled negative by Gentiles all over the world) and that is the reason why new semi jewish faith version arised.

Jewish Leaders of that corrupted versions are saying we are the representative of Jews. But The real representative are only these Jewish leaders holding the Orthodox Jewish faith. From these leaders you never here such ideas.

I am now happy to notify that a new Sanhedrin (Which I hope will bring the redemption to the world) founded in ISRAEL and I know exactly what is the range of the possibilities An Orthodox scholar free person will think and say.

God hath warned his saints of the evil to come... Nephilim anybody? 

Of course. Who denied it. It is directed especially to the murders of the princes of

G-D

leave your stupid faith about a material G-D born by a lady.

 Do you not believe the prophets?  Esias said 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.(God with us!).

I am sorry. The English translation of this source is not accurate. It is not a virgin, but young lady. But it does not meter. Because I did not understand how you want to relate this prophet to Jesus. The prophet is about an event to be occurred in Esaia time. A lot of time before Jesus

I will dare to suggest you to be carful and to check the sources you are remarking. Your “sources” are not written in a scientific way so no one can find them. I do not believe also the sources you write about them relating even to secular Jewish leaders. It seems to be the same as other thousands of blood accuasation done by Gentiles during all the generations.

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The rest I do not react as said above 

 

They are very, very, very serious, saints of Christ Jesus the lord, very serious and very dangerous to the WORLD

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----- Original Message -----
From: Rowan Berkeley
To: Robert Pickle
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:28 AM
Subject: Chabad : Not Quite Adapted To The Global Internet Yet

Dear Bob

While Berel Lazar is giving him medals, Chabad NY (in their own "Noahide
News") continue to describe him as an unreconstructed Soviet Goon:

"Much confusion has been generated by the ongoing but ever less credible
claims by the Soviet Russian regime that it has collapsed—despite the fact
that every Russian leader for the last 14 years has been a long-time
official of the Communist Party, including Boris Yeltsin, Yevgeniy Primakov,
and Vladimir Putin (indeed, Primakov and Putin are "former" heads of the KGB
secret police, which continues to operate the more than 2500 concentration
camps in that nation). Socialism, police-state terror, and militaristic
mobilization for war remain unchanged throughout the Soviet republics. In
fact, in the early 1980s, top Soviet KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn
accurately predicted the theatrical "self-collapse" of Communism—because he
was one of the original planners of the entire scenario back in the 1950s."
JAHG-USA Newsletter
Week of 21 Teves 5765 / January 2, 2005

http://www.noahide.com/news02.htm

-- -- Rowan

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Yes they had to have their flesh 'Peace" to counter the Holy Everlasting Covenant which Jesus the Christ has confirmed to his many. And Just in time for the bombs to begin flying....ordo ab chao, for they must have the flesh temple mount of the flesh whore Aholibah

1Thes:5:3: 

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1107769477616

Sharon, Abbas announce end to four years of fighting

"We must all announce here today that violence will not win, that violence will not be allowed to murder hope," Prime Minister Ariel Sharon announced, in an emotional speech closing Tuesday's summit at Sharm e-Sheikh. "We hope that today we are starting a new period of tranquility and hope...Only actions and not words – this is the only way to attain the vision of two states living side-by-side in peace and tranquility."

The landmark four-way summit, hosted by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, was also attended by Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas and Jordanian King Abdullah II.

There is a "new wind" blowing, Sharon said, "and we should not let it pass, leaving us empty handed. We must not miss this opportunity to put a stop to four years of violence; this is a delicate opportunity, and we must be careful," the prime minister told a room full of reporters and television cameras.

Sharon declared that during the one-on-one meeting between him and Abbas, "We agreed that all Palestinians will stop all acts of violence against all Israelis everywhere and, in parallel, Israel will cease all its military activity against all Palestinians anywhere."

Despite the optimism, Sharon said "we must move forward cautiously. This is a very fragile opportunity, that the extremists will want to exploit. 

Hassidic Dan Aholah, Chabad Lubavitch who hates the whore Aholibah and will devour her flesh and burn the whore city

They want to close the window of opportunity for us and allow our two peoples to drown in their blood."

Sharon said that if the two sides do not act now, the extremists "may be successful in their scheme."

Dan:11:14:

And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.

Sharon used diplomatic language to articulate one of his major concerns, that the Palestinian cease fire – born of an inter-Palestinian agreement and not active steps to dismantle terror – may only be temporary.

"We must all make a commitment not to agree to a temporary solution, not to allow violence to raise its head, but to act together, determinedly, to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure, to disarm and subdue it once and for all. Only by crushing terror and violence will we build peace," he said.

Sharon said that in his meeting with the PA chairman, the two outlined a process of handing over security control of Palestinian areas to local forces. He noted Israel's intention to release hundreds of Palestinian security prisoners, and the establishment of a joint forum to assess the possible release of additional prisoners.

Stressing his dedication to the disengagement plan, Sharon described it as a launching point from which the road map can be implemented with the agreement of both sides.

Road map to hell of Isrealhell

In his emotionally charged speech, Sharon devoted a personal address to both the Palestinian and Israeli peoples. "To our Palestinian neighbors," he said, "I assure you that we have a genuine intention to respect your right to live independently and in dignity. I have already said that Israel has no desire to continue to govern over you and control your fate. We in Israel have had to painfully wake up from our dreams, and we are determined to overcome all the obstacles which might stand in our path in order to realize the new chance which has been created."

Not so saith head rib-eye Dov Levanoni of the Beast Revived Sanhedrin, for all "Goyim" will be slaves of the Jews

" To the citizens of Israel, I say: we have passed difficult years, faced the most painful experiences and overcame them. The future lies before us. We are required to take difficult and controversial steps, but we must not miss the opportunity to try to achieve what we have wished for, for so many years: security, tranquility and peace."

Sharon also turned to the leaders of the Middle East and called: "Let us all hold hands and create a new atmosphere of openness and tolerance to stop the radicals of yesterday who wish to flood us with blood and hatred

Jer:8:11:

 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1107659938090

Fears of attack to derail summit

Israeli security officials have expressed concern that terror groups - particularly Hizbullah - might try and launch terror attacks inside Israel ahead of and during Tuesday's regional summit in Sharm e-Sheikh in an attempt to derail the fragile peace process.

"All it needs is one major suicide bombing and Israeli casualties to bring an end to the entire process," one security official said – this with an average of 50 warnings registered by the security establishment each day.

"We have intelligence information that at this moment until after the summit, they would do everything to try to harm its success," Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told Israel Radio on Monday.

He said an attempt to assassinate Abbas could not be ruled out, but said they had no concrete intelligence on this sort of plot.

Placed on high alert Sunday, police and IDF forces reinforced their presence in major cities, on highways and along the security fence that borders parts of the West Bank. Additional troops were deployed around Jerusalem.

Meanwhile, Palestinian security officials claimed Monday that the Hizbullah has greatly increased funds it is offering for carrying out terror attacks and Kassam rocket attacks in the Gaza Strip.

The organization, according to Palestinian security sources, is willing to pledge some 20,000 dollars to those who recruit terrorists or orchestrate or commit suicide bombings, Israel Radio reported. The sum is an enormous increase over the 1,000 dollars it has offered up until now.

For a filmed Kassam rocket attack, Hizbullah would pay 10,000 dollars.

The Palestinian Authority is familiar with many members of terror organizations who trained in Syria and Lebanon under the auspices of the Hizbullah, after which they returned to the Palestinian territories.

The PA has in the past demanded that they halt all terror-oriented activities, but their response has been that they would concede only in return for well-salaried employment

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Goodbye Arik Sheinerman of Aholibah Judah

Hello Moshaich ben satan of Aholah Dan

The Pitfall of Secular Zionism

Jewish sources are replete with stories about the downfalls of the Jewish people. The one common denominator to all these stories is the mindset of the Jewish people that preceded the tragedy. These stories revolve around communities with a thriving economy, a beautiful diplomatic relationship and a large Torah-learning crowd. 

Talmud Bavli, Mishnah Torah which states that any who worship after Jesus the Christ will be decapitated, Sanhedrin Tractate 57a.

In some cases, we had a well-trained army, and in others, we had people high in government, whispering in the monarch's ears. We had great rabbis, generals and leaders.

But we had one more thing that came with most of these downfalls. We had pride.

Zeph:2:10: 

This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified themselves against the people of the LORD of hosts.


When I speak of pride, I'm not talking about holding our heads up high and saying, "Look I'm a Jew." There's nothing wrong with being a Jew, and by G-d, we should be proud of it.

Obad:1:3: 

The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

But that's exactly how we should be proud - by G-d.

Hosea:7:10: 

And the pride of Israel testifieth to his face: and they do not return to the LORD their God, nor seek him for all this

The common denominator to all the times that the Jewish people suffered was the taking of credit for things that should have been attributed to the Lord of Lords, Host of Hosts, Hashem.

Who is not Jesus the Lord Almighty

Recently, I heard our prime minister speaking in the Knesset at a ceremony commemorating sixty years since the liberation of Auschwitz. He said: "Many times nations have tried to destroy us, and we don't have anyone to depend on but ourselves."

I don't know whether I was the only person in the country who heard our prime minister's words, or just the only one who put significance to what he said. Either way, what I heard convinced me that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and the people he represents, are on the way to another downfall.

Downfalls always began with the declaration of "kochi ve'otzem yadi..." - my strength and the power of my hand created all this for me. Whenever the Jewish nation managed to create for itself a nice stronghold with the help of G-d, the next step was usually to forget that it was actually G-d who got us there.

Crucified the Chooser and Chose the Robber instead

Prime Minister Sharon was misquoting a Gemara that lists things that will go wrong at the end of days. The Gemara concludes with the quote: "And we don't have anyone to depend on but our Father in Heaven." I believe the prime minister purposely changed the end of the quote from "our Father in Heaven" to "ourselves", rendering it a statement of "kochi ve'otzem yadi...."

For they have no one to depend on but their flesh

I haven't been a great supporter of the prime minister since his expulsion plan was announced. However, I was not among those who believed that it would necessarily bring about the destruction of the state, mostly because of the miracles that have brought us this far. Even though I knew that the secular world was not the greatest advocate of the will of G-d, but using our Jewish sources in such cynical fashion completely earned my distrust. Even if a miraculous change occurs and the prime minister drops the expulsion plan, there is no way that I would be able to consider him and myself on the same side.

Since I doubt that the prime minister will ever read these words, and even if he does I don't think they that will have any impact on him, I do have a message to the people who I hope will be reading this. The prime minister is not the only one making this major mistake. We must continue working on the practical level, but we must not forget - no matter what we do, none of it will matter if we don't have Hashem right there with us, in every aspect and at all times

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If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched." President George H.W. Bush, quoted by Sarah McClendon (White House Reporter) in her June 1992 Newsletter

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The Mideast After Saddam 

Fault lines: In pondering his next step, Bush must weigh the idea that war would be good for the Middle East 

By Christopher Dickey
NEWSWEEK INTERNATIONAL
 

Issues 2003 —  As George W. Bush looks at the Middle East, powerful voices in and around his administration tell him the status quo is unsalvageable. They say Arabs are just waiting for a visionary American president to clear away the corruption and dictatorship that curse the region, starting with Saddam Hussein. Apocalyptic optimists like Joshua Muravchik at the American Enterprise Institute suggest the invasion of Iraq will “unleash a tsunami across the Islamic world,” a tidal wave of democracy and modernization.

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ADL Found Guilty Of Spying by California Court

By Barbara Ferguson, Arab News Correspondent

 
April 27, 2002. Washington -- The San Francisco Superior Court has awarded former Congressman Pete McCloskey, R-California, a $150,000 court judgment against the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).
McCloskey, the attorney in the case, represented one of three civil lawsuits filed in San Francisco against the ADL in 1993. The lawsuit came after raids were made by the San Francisco Police Department and the FBI on offices of the ADL in both San Francisco and Los Angeles, which found that the ADL was engaged in extensive domestic spying operations on a vast number of individuals and institutions around the country.
During the course of the inquiry in San Francisco, the SFPD and FBI determined the ADL had computerized files on nearly 10,000 people across the country, and that more than 75 percent of the information had been illegally obtained from police, FBI files and state drivers, license data banks. [.

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French president accuses Israel of anti-France French president accuses Israel of anti-France campaign

By The Associated Press

 
Paris - French President Jacques Chirac raised the possibility on Saturday of "consequences" if Israel did not put a halt to a campaign presenting France as an anti-Semitic country, the president's spokeswoman said.
In a telephone conversation with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Chirac spoke out "with force against the campaign," spokeswoman Catherine Colonna said. "At a time when the French massively demonstrated their refusal of racism, of xenophobia and of anti-Semitism, this campaign is not acceptable," Chirac was quoted as saying. He added that it cannot continue "without consequences," Colonna said. She did not elaborate on what the consequences could entail. [...]

<http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=162410&contrassID=

1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0>

 

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Australia's First Mini Holocaust Trial At Sleepy Launceston, Tasmania

By Fredrick Toben

 
They used to burn fearless women who spoke out and label them as witches. Are we again entering an age where this is happening? Judge for yourself.
Retired English teacher, grandmother, widow and fearless Christian, Mrs Olga Scully, 59, has taken on the might of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ) by disputing in the Federal Court of Australia various aspects of conventional history. Not only does she deny that there were homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, and anywhere else in then Nazi-occupied Europe during World War Two, she also vehemently lashes out at Talmudic teachings contained in passages offensive to Christians. Having as a child trekked from Soviet Russia to Germany during the war, Mrs Scully is well-versed with the facts of the Jewish-Bolshevik Holocaust that traditional historians call the 1917 Russian Revolution. She is doing everything in her power to spread the truth of this historical event, i.e. that most individuals involved in engineering the 1917 social upheaval in Tsarist Russia had a Jewish background.
Mrs Scully's life,s work began more than 30 years ago when she started to expose historical lies taught in Tasmanian schools. Ironically, it was only when her school principal husband died that the president of the ECAJ, Mr Jeremy Jones, in 1996 began hounding her into Australia,s politically correct Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission (HREOC).Before this tribunal, where truth is no defence, Mrs Scully did not while for long. She walked out of the hearing because she considered its procedures to be "immoral".
Matters progressed slowly but when, in her absence, the HREOC commissioner handed down his findings, Mrs Scully was found in breach of the Racial Discrimination Act. The material that she had been letter boxing and selling at her market stall, was judged to be offensive to a few Jewish individuals in Hobart and Launceston. She was asked to stop her activity, and to sign an apology for causing hurt, pain and suffering to Australia's Jewish community. Mrs Scully ignored the finding and now the matter is being re-litigated de novo, in the Federal Court of Australia before Justice Peter Hely. Mrs Scully is conducting her own defence.
Mrs Scully's interests range far and wide, as is reflected in the material she distributes, from exposing the money trick to fluoridization and related problems, from the evils of sex education in our schools, the problems of vaccination to the destruction of our family farms. It is interesting that during the cross examination of a witness, Mrs Scully could not get a clear answer as to why a specific leaflet was complained of that dealt with the teaching of "licking the anus". It appears that informing the community of such things was objected to by Mr Jones, and hence he appeared to condone such matters.
Mrs Scully is not interested in offending Jews as a group and she stated that she would name the group on her leaflet, be they Jews or Hottentots. She claimed the current crop of snuff movies seems to be controlled by the Russian and Italian Jews.
see samliquidation's website illegally linked to Russian sex snuff porno sites @ google
 
Mrs Scully is a concerned citizen with a mission: to do what responsible citizens and governments are not doing, to protest at outrages that are offending our human delicacies, our social environment. She finds it imperative that she speak out against injustices wherever they may occur. To remain silent is, for her, a sin. For example, she reminded the court that Talmudic influence is evident in the way the Jews in Israel are torturing Christian and Muslim Palestinians. When cross-examined by Mrs Scully, witness Mr Goldsteen, claimed it was his Jewish mission to imbue the world with the seven Noahide Laws. Upon further examination, the witness did not admit that those who refuse to be thus ministered, should be killed
 
According to Mrs Scully this is what is the duty of every Jew who takes this mission seriously.
At one point in the proceedings, counsel for Mr Jones wished to have Mrs Scully's 111-page affidavit dismissed almost in total on account of it being "irrelevant". Counsel objected to Mrs Scully calling herself a Holocaust survivor. Justice Hely said that this seemed to him relevant because Mrs Scully was merely putting "a different point-of-view" across. He continued that this went to the heart of the issue he has to decide, whether Mrs Scully genuinely holds such a view. The second matter the judge has to consider is whether Mrs Scully,s statements are on a matter in the public interest and for a genuine purpose. Counsel for Mr Jones claimed that Mrs Scully did not have a genuine subjective belief. The story continues...

30 April 2002, Day Two:
The Holocaust Myth versus the Jewish Conspiracy Myth?

By Fredrick Toben

 
Justice Peter Hely stressed he had two concerns: 1. That Mrs Scully was not legally represented, and 2. That she be given a fair go. Mrs Scully welcomed the opportunity that she be given "a fair go and argue my point". Time was spent on sorting out what permissible evidence Mrs Scully relied on. When she submitted the David Cole video tape, but counsel objected because, according to him, it does not go to the issue of the Holocaust hoax. While talking, he flippantly referred to "gas ovens", then corrected himself when Mrs Scully pointed out that the concept should be "gas chamber".
The judge invited Mrs Scully to tender a list of books and videos to counsel at the end of the day, indicated that Mrs Scully be examined, then adjourned the court for ten minutes. Upon returning at 11.50 am. There was more talk about the admissibility of evidence, for example a 2000 Amnesty International report on prostitution in Israel and Sir Winston Churchill,s famous newspaper article on the nature of communism.
The judge then asked Mrs Scully to enter the witness stand, and he asked her what "factual matter that you wish to rely on?" [...]


A suivre sur le site <http://www.adelaideinstitute.org>

 

Shut up saints of Jesus or you will be delivered and afflicted in their Talmudic Noahide Courts of injustice

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The whole of Plaestinia

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?PHPSESSID=a13d7911f0840e5e54175e4fed2f1408

The authorities differ on how the ban was to be applied. Some hold that there could be no quarter given; the Ramban (Nachmanides), however, says that the seven nations were given three choices: 1) leave without a fight, 2) abandon idol worship and agree to follow the seven Noahide laws, in which case the people could remain and would not be attacked, and 3) if they elected to fight they were to be totally destroyed. It is clear that the reason for this was fear of the Jews being contaminated by idol worship; if there was no danger of this, that is, if the people agreed to abandon their idols, they could stay.

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The treason continues the plot thickens for their Hoodlum hoo haha of Dan of the hassidic Pharisees, Chabad Lubavitch

Rove Gets Bigger Role at White House
Tue Feb 8, 2005 12:19 PM ET

DETROIT (Reuters) - President Bush's senior adviser, Karl Rove, will take on a wider role in developing and coordinating policy in the president's second term, the White House announced on Tuesday.

Rove, who was Bush's top political strategist during his 2000 and 2004 presidential campaigns, will become a deputy White House chief of staff in charge of coordinating policy between the White House Domestic Policy Council, National Economic Council, National Security Council and Homeland Security Council.

Rove will continue to oversee White House strategy to advance Bush's agenda and will "make sure we have an open and fair process for the development of policy and to make sure the policy is complementary and consistent with the various councils," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

"He is one of the president's most trusted advisers who has played an integral role in strategy and policy development for a long time," McClellan said.

Deputy White House chief of staff Joe Hagin will take on a bigger role, deputizing for White House chief of staff Andrew Card at meetings concerning intelligence, counter-terrorism, counter-proliferation and Defense Department and the Homeland Security Council.

Bush's former chief speech writer, Michael Gerson, will become assistant to the president for policy and strategic planning and will have a lead role in advancing Bush's "compassionate agenda," such as his faith-based initiative. He will oversee the writing of Bush's major speeches as well.

A long-time deputy White House press secretary, Claire Buchan, will become chief of staff to new Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez.

She will be replaced by the communications director at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, Dana Perino, McClellan said.

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Karl Marx Rove

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JUNE , 2004- On September 15, 2001, just four days after the 9-11 attacks, CIA Director George Tenet provided President [sic] Bush with a Top Secret 

"Worldwide Attack Matrix"

-a virtual license to kill targets deemed to be a threat to the United States in some 80 countries around the world. The Tenet plan, which was subsequently approved by Bush, essentially reversed the executive orders of four previous U.S. administrations that expressly prohibited political assassinations. 

According to high level European intelligence officials, Bush's counselor, Karl Rove, used the new presidential authority to silence a popular Lebanese Christian politician who was planning to offer irrefutable evidence that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon authorized the massacre of hundreds of Palestinian men, women, and children in the Beirut refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla in 1982. 

In addition, Sharon provided the Lebanese forces who carried out the grisly task. At the time of the massacres, Elie Hobeika was intelligence chief of Lebanese Christian forces in Lebanon who were battling Palestinians and other Muslim groups in a bloody civil war.

 He was also the chief liaison to Israeli Defense Force (IDF) personnel in Lebanon. An official Israeli inquiry into the massacre at the camps, the Kahan Commission, merely found Sharon "indirectly" responsible for the slaughter and fingered Hobeika as the chief instigator. 

The Kahan (Kohan's) Commission never called on Hobeika to offer testimony in his defense. However, in response to charges brought against Sharon before a special war crimes court in Belgium, Hobeika was urged to testify against Sharon, according to well-informed Lebanese sources. 

Hobeika was prepared to offer a different version of events than what was contained in the Kahan report. A 1993 Belgian law permitting human rights prosecutions was unusual in that non-Belgians could be tried for violations against other non-Belgians in a Belgian court. Under pressure from the Bush administration, the law was severely amended and the extra territoriality provisions were curtailed. Hobeika headed the Lebanese forces intelligence agency since the mid- 1970s and he soon developed close ties to the CIA. He was a frequent visitor to the CIA's headquarters at Langley, Virginia. After the Syrian invasion of Lebanon in 1990, Hobeika held a number of cabinet positions in the Lebanese government, a proxy for the Syrian occupation authorities. He also served in the parliament. In July 2001, Hobeika called a press conference and announced he was prepared to testify against Sharon in Belgium and revealed that he had evidence of what actually occurred in Sabra and Shatilla. 

Hobeika also indicated that Israel had flown members of the South Lebanon Army (SLA) into Beirut International Airport in an Israeli Air Force C130 transport plane. In full view of dozens of witnesses, including members of the Lebanese army and others, SLA troops under the command of Major Saad Haddad were slipped into the camps to commit the massacres. The SLA troops were under the direct command of Ariel Sharon and an Israeli Mossad agent provocateur named Rafi Eitan.

 Hobeika offered evidence that a former U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was aware of the Israeli plot. In addition, the IDF had placed a camera in a strategic position to film the Sabra and Shatilla massacres. Hobeika was going to ask that the footage be released as part of the investigation of Sharon. 

After announcing he was willing to testify against Sharon, Hobeika became fearful for his safety and began moves to leave Lebanon. Hobeika was not aware that his threats to testify against Sharon had triggered a series of fateful events that reached well into the White House and Sharon's office. 

On January 24, 2002, Hobeika's car was blown up by a remote controlled bomb placed in a parked Mercedes along a street in the Hazmieh section of Beirut. The bomb exploded when Hobeika and his three associates, Fares Souweidan, Mitri Ajram, and Waleed Zein, were driving their Range Rover past the TNT-laden Mercedes at 9:40 am Beirut time. The Range Rover's four passengers were killed in the explosion. In case Hobeika's car had taken another route through the neighborhood, two additional parked cars, located at two other choke points, were also rigged with TNT. The powerful bomb wounded a number of other people on the street. Other parked cars were destroyed and buildings and homes were damaged. The Lebanese president, prime minister, and interior minister all claimed that Israeli agents were behind the attack.

 It is noteworthy that the State Department's list of global terrorist incidents for 2002 worldwide failed to list the car bombing attack on Hobeika and his party. 

The White House wanted to ensure the attack was censored from the report. The reason was simple: the attack ultimately had Washington's fingerprints on it. High level European intelligence sources now report that Karl Rove personally coordinated Hobeika's assassination. 

 

The hit on Hobeika employed Syrian intelligence agents. Syrian President Bashar Assad was trying to curry favor with the Bush administration in the aftermath of 9-11 and was more than willing to help the White House. In addition, Assad's father, Hafez Assad, had been an ally of Bush's father during Desert Storm, a period that saw Washington give a "wink and a nod" to Syria's occupation of Lebanon. 

Rove wanted to help Sharon avoid any political embarrassment from an in absentia trial in Brussels where Hobeika would be a star witness.

 Rove and Sharon agreed on the plan to use Syrian Military Intelligence agents to assassinate Hobeika. 

Rove saw Sharon as an indispensable ally of Bush in ensuring the loyalty of the Christian evangelical and Jewish voting blocs in the United States. 

Sharon saw the plan to have the United States coordinate the hit as a way to mask all connections to Jerusalem.

 The Syrian hit team was ordered by Assef Shawkat, the number two man in Syrian military intelligence and a good friend and brother in law of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Assad's intelligence services had already cooperated with U.S. intelligence in resorting to unconventional methods to extract information from al Qaeda detainees deported to Syria from the United States and other countries in the wake of 9-11. 

The order to take out Hobeika was transmitted by Shawkat to Roustom Ghazali, the head of Syrian military intelligence in Beirut. Ghazali arranged for the three remote controlled cars to be parked along Hobeika's route in Hazmieh; only few hundred yards from the Barracks of Syrian Special Forces which are stationed in the area near the Presidential palace , the ministry of Defense and various Government and officers quarters . This particular area is covered 24/7 by a very sophisticated USA multi-agency surveillance system to monitor Syrian and Lebanese security activities and is a " Choice " area to live in for its perceived high security .

 The plan to kill Hobeika had all the necessary caveats and built-in denial mechanisms. If the Syrians were discovered beforehand or afterwards, Karl Rove and his associates in the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans would be ensured plausible deniability.

 Hobeika's CIA intermediary in Beirut, a man only referred to as "Jason" by Hobeika, was a frequent companion of the Lebanese politician during official and off-duty hours. During Hobeika's election campaigns for his parliamentary seat, Jason was often in Hobeika's office offering support and advice. After Hobeika's assassination, Jason became despondent over the death of his colleague. Eventually, Jason disappeared abruptly from Lebanon and reportedly later emerged in Pakistan. 

Karl Rove's involvement in the assassination of Hobeika may not have been the last "hit" he ordered to help out Sharon.

 In March 2002, a few months after Hobeika's assassination, another Lebanese Christian with knowledge of Sharon's involvement in the Sabra and Shatilla massacres was gunned down along with his wife in Sao Paulo, Brazil. A bullet fired at Michael Nassar's car flattened one of his tires. Nassar pulled into a gasoline station for repairs. A professional assassin, firing a gun with a silencer, shot Nassar and his wife in the head, killing them both instantly. The assailant fled and was never captured. Nassar was also involved with the Phalange militia at Sabra and Shatilla. Nassar was also reportedly willing to testify against Sharon in Belgium and, as a nephew of SLA Commander General Antoine Lahd, may have had important evidence to bolster Hobeika's charge that Sharon ordered SLA forces into the camps to wipe out the Palestinians. Based on what European intelligence claims is concrete intelligence on Rove's involvement in the assassination of Hobeika, the Bush administration can now add political assassination to its laundry list of other misdeeds, from lying about the reasons to go to war to the torture tactics in violation of the Geneva Conventions that have been employed by the Pentagon and "third country" nationals at prisons in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist and columnist. He served in the National Security Agency (NSA) during the Reagan administration and wrote the introduction to Forbidden Truth. He is the co-author, with John Stanton, of "America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II." His forthcoming book is titled: "Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops, and Brass Plates." Madsen can be reached at: WMadsen777@aol.com

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CRONKITE: KARL ROVE BEHIND BIN LADEN TAPE
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CRONKITE: KARL ROVE BEHIND BIN LADEN TAPE Sat Oct 30 2004 16:31:19 ET

Former CBSNEWS anchorman Walter Cronkite believes Bush adviser Karl Rove is possibly behind the new Bin Laden tape.

Cronkite made the startling comments late Friday during an interview on CNN.

Cronkite said he is "inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing."

Interviewer Larry King did not ask Cronkite to elaborate on the provocative election eve accusation.

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Aholibah king of the south

 

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Mashiach riding an elephant

In a dramatic development Lubavitch gives up on Jews and shifts the efforts towards spreading Torah to our Arab cousins. Emboldened by the global push the Hasidic Scholars are now successfully utilizing the latest technology to teach Seven Laws of Noach to preliterate tribesmen in India. "The turbans are pretty cool"- reported one of the students from Brooklyn. The student was unaware that for centuries wearing of a turban was symbolic of the Islamic faith. In fact conversion of Shabbtai Zevi to Islam was ceremoniously sealed by donning of a turban.

Despite predictable setbacks caused by stubborn refusal of the tribesmen to sponsor a rabbi and his family of fifteen in a room and board accommodation in the Himalayan mountains the strategy to concentrate on gentiles instead of Jews already paid early dividends. Exiting news spreading like a wild fire via global 770 satellite feeds. Contrary to the traditional belief that Mashiach will ride a donkey there have been sightings of Mashiach riding an elephant.

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Behold one of the chief Judaeo-Churchinsanity Proselytes, a ger Toshav Noahide

Pat Robertson in Jerusalem


American television personality and evangelical Christian leader Pat Robertson, backed by an Israeli flag, delivers a speech to a crowd of mostly evangelical Christians from various nations on a pilgrimage to Israel, during an event of the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem, Sunday, Oct. 3, 2004. Led by Robertson, thousands of Christian pilgrims gathered in the Holy Land (Whore Cioty that spiritual Sodom and Egypt where Our Lord was crucified) to express support for Israel, with hundreds joining a prayer session in the heart of Jerusalem. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)

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Chabad's lost son

By Yair Sheleg

Very few among Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidim know this story, and those who do go to great lengths to deny it. After all, it is not easy for the Hasidim to accept that Rabbi Moshe, the youngest son of the founder of their movement, Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liadi (1902-1994) - better known in Jewish history as the Ba'al Hatanya and the author of the Likutei Amarim Tanya, a basic book on Hasidic philosophy - converted to Christianity.

In Eastern Europe of the last 200 years, conversion to Christianity was certainly not unheard of, and was most often motivated by a desire to alleviate the conditions of life - to find a job or be accepted to studies - or romance - falling in love with a non-Jew. But the conversion of a major Hasidic rabbi's son is certainly the most celebrated case.

The story was first made public by Professor David Assaf, a lecturer in Jewish history at Tel Aviv University, in an article he published some two-and-a-half years ago in a journal called "Zion." According to Assaf's research, involving the study of a wide variety of Hasidic sources related to Christianity, Moshe converted at the age of 36, when he was already married and had children. Moshe was his father's favorite son and viewed as his father's successor. Despite Moshe's young age, he was appointed to the prestigious position of hozer - the one who repeats the rabbi's sermons for the Hasidim.

Assaf examines the various possible motives, as discussed by others, and rules most of them out. Thus, for example, he mentions the claim made by a number of maskilim (secular or modern, observant Jews) that Moshe converted to Christianity because he was angry that his older brother, Dov Ber, whom he held in contempt, was ultimately chosen to succeed his father (mainly due to intervention by their mother, who supported Dov Ber's appointment).

Assaf maintains that Moshe's conversion to Christianity occurred many years after the decision concerning the succession and that there is no proof of any link between the two events.

The romantic motive - that he fell in love with a Christian woman - had already been ruled out as an unfounded and unreasonable rumor.

Assaf also rejects the possibility that Moshe became convinced of the justice of Christianity, or that he became a Christian so as to land a respectable job, along with the possibility raised in the past that he converted after befriending a Russian officer.

Assaf takes the view that Moshe's conversion to Christianity occurred as a result of mental illness. As he puts it: "He lost his mind and then his religion."

He finds a hint of this in a letter written in 1817 to one of the Hasidim by Moshe's mother, Rebbitzin Shterna, in which she relates that her son Moshe had "returned to his previous healthy state." Assaf entertains the possibility that she was hinting of the illness in the letter and that Moshe's recovery was only temporary.

Assaf notes in his article that among the Hasidim, in the first generations after Moshe's conversion when the story was still well known, the story circulated that many years later, Moshe renounced his Christianity, returned to the fold and sought to atone for his sin by wandering about the villages and towns unknown and alone, and that on one of these journeys he died.

Assaf says that the sixth Lubavitcher rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Yitzhak Schneerson (1880-1950), was the first of the Hasidic movement's leaders who tried to contend with the story of the conversion by means of total denial. In his view, according to the version presented by Rabbi Yosef Yitzhak, Moshe, who had a general education and was familiar with the ideas of Christianity, became embroiled in religious debates with Christians and was consequently forced to flee. In this way, Rabbi Yosef Yitzhak hoped to gain two dividends by both denying the story of the conversion and at the same time warning others of the dangers of too broad a general education.

In his article, Assaf also mentions the book by the converted Jew, George Lazarus. In his memoirs, published in 1841, Lazarus relates that in his youth, when he was still Jewish, he took a great interest in Hasidic customs, in particular because of his background as part of the Mitnaged movement (a movement that vehemently opposed Hasidism, which, it claimed, attributed greater importance to prayer and social values at the expense of Torah study and halakhic meticulousness).

In a footnote, especially interesting in view of the developments of recent years in the Chabad-Lubavitch movement, Lazarus writes that the proximity between Hasidism and Christian principles was very great: "The fuel is ready and all that is needed is a tiny spark to ignite the fire."

Two fold children of hell

The baron, the hooker and the countess

The Moshiach, the whore and her Pimp


In a new twist, Boaz Eppelbaum, bureau chief for former prime minister Shimon Peres and now a businessman, has recently written a novel based on the story of the conversion - "The Christian Son of the Lubavitcher Rebbe" (Bitan Publishing). The Hebrew name and what appears to be the cleverest part of the book, "Chabad's Goy" - a play on the expression, "Shabbes Goy" - was suggested by sculptor Yigal Tumarkin entirely by chance.

Eppelbaum relates that he went to a Tel Aviv cafe to show the manuscript to singer and producer Dudu Elharar, and Tumarkin, who happened to be sitting there, took a look at the material, became excited about it and a few moments later came back with three ideas for a name. This was one of them.

The book is a sensationalist amplification of the account of Moshe's conversion to Christianity. Eppelbaum inserts a high-class call girl into the plot, Anna-Marie Schlagelbach, who is presented as Moshe's lover, and another lover, Countess Yelena Obarova, the daughter of the governor of the Ukraine and Lithuania, characters that figure nowhere in Assaf's study. He does not mention any independent source that led him to these people.

The book portrays the background for Moshe's conversion as an act of revenge by Baron Karl Schulmeister, the chief of Napoleon's espionage service who proposes to Moshe that he serve as a spy for the French forces invading Russia. Moshe refuses. In retaliation, according to Eppelbaum's version of events, the general decides, in council with Moshe's older brother Rabbi Dov Ber (the second Lubavitcher rebbe), to abduct Moshe and spread rumors about him that he has lost his mind. Ultimately, Moshe himself decides to convert because of his love for the Christian countess.

Eppelbaum added another interesting detail - that in 1943, Rabbi Yosef Yitzhak ordered his Hasidim to remove the cross from the grave of Moshe. Eppelbaum says that this fact and others were reported to him by two Lubavitcher Hasidim who prefer to remain anonymous. He adds that he has been conducting negotiations with the Cameri Theater concerning the possibility of a play based on his book and with Channel 8 on a film about a search for Moshe's grave.

Rv:9:20: And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Rv:9:21: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.


Assaf, who has already read the book, says, "It is not a historical novel. It is not a novel because it is simply inarticulate and poorly written; and it is not historical because there is nothing real in it except for the fact of Moshe's conversion to Christianity."

He rejects the account of the removal of the cross from Moshe's grave, saying, "According to all the sources that I have studied, no one even knows where Rabbi Moshe is buried, although a Hasidic tradition attributes it to the village of Radomyshl."

Eppelbaum, on the other hand, does not deny that he added liberally to the plot, drawing on his own imagination, but insists on his right to do so. "I approached the subject as a writer, not a researcher. Because there are so many conflicting versions and lacunae in the story, and because I wanted to bring the story to the attention of as many readers as possible, I deliberately chose the format of a historical novel, taking the license to lean in the direction of a particular view or fabricate parts of the plot. I leave it to the reader to decide where reality ends and fiction begins. I will not contribute to any clarification of the picture."

Arguments with Christians

It is interesting to note that Eppelbaum himself admits that he happened on to the subject after having read Assaf's article. ("So why didn't he talk to me at any time while working on the book?" wonders Assaf.) But, says Eppelbaum, the article only served as the catalyst to deal with subjects that troubled him about the Chabad-Lubavitch movement even earlier.

"The first was in 1984, when I served as then prime minister Shimon Peres' bureau chief. The Lubavitcher rebbe appealed at that time to Peres to use his ties with the Italian foreign minister at the time, Giulio Andreotti, to ask his friend Mikhail Gorbachev to release the Hasidic writings kept at the time in the Leningrad Library. When Stalin allowed the sixth rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Yitzhak, the Lubavitcher rebbe's father-in-law, to leave the Soviet Union, he refused to allow him to take the larger part of the Hasidic movement's most important writings.

Condo sleezy is getting them back now

"A few weeks later, Andreotti returned with Gorbachev's response, which was a definite no. He explained that the Lubavitcher rebbe and the entire Chabad movement were viewed by them as CIA agents that dispatch spies all over the world, including to the Soviet Union, under the pretense of a religious mission."

The second case, Eppelbaum relates, was a year later, "when Peres wanted to find out what the position of Rabbi Schach, the leader of the Lithuanian ultra-Orthodox movement, would be were he to dismantle the unity government that existed at the time to establish a narrow government in its stead. Emissaries that spoke with Rabbi Schach reported that he refused to even meet with Peres, explaining that the rabbi refused to even speak with a `murderer of fetuses,' referring to the Labor Party's support four years earlier for the amendment to the Abortion Law, making it more liberal.

"In order to appease Rabbi Schach, emissaries were sent to him, of which I was one. In the discussion between us that ensued, I asked him why he opposed a narrow government headed by Labor, when the Lubavitcher rebbe was sending positive signals [The Lubavitcher rebbe is considered a far more extreme hawk, but according to Eppelbaum, because of his desire that Peres serve as an intermediary for the books, he was willing to support a narrow Labor government headed by Peres - Y.S.]. He responded with contempt for Chabad, saying among other things that `Chabad is the religion closest to Judaism,' meaning that it is not really Jewish at all."

Chabad spokesman Menachem Brod vehemently denies the story of the conversion. "It never happened; it's a fairy tale. Eppelbaum's book is not worthy of comment, but Assaf's article is also based on unproven hypotheses. As far as we know, Rabbi Moshe became embroiled in disputations with Christians, and after it was claimed that he lost one such debate, he was indeed ordered to convert, but refused to do so. Consequently, he was forced to flee and live his life out anonymously."

Brod also rejects the quote from Rabbi Schach describing Chabad as "the religion closest to Judaism." Brod says, "It is too witty for Rabbi Schach. The quip was made by Uri Zohar, who himself regretted it later on."

New information on the affair has surfaced in recent months. A historian from Hebrew University who prefers to remain nameless to avoid pressure from Hasidim collected documents relating to the story from both Jewish and non-Jewish sources in Eastern Europe, primarily Belorussia. The historian says it will take a very long time before the documents are deciphered because the 100 or so papers are written in a variety of languages, most of which will have to be translated by an independent translator. Therefore, he explains, he cannot discuss the new details that the papers reveal. "But it is already clear that they deal with the conversion of Rabbi Moshe."

In other words, they provide additional testimony to authenticate the story.

The life of Menachem Mendel and Chaya Mushka
Early in his book, Eppelbaum discusses Chabad during the lifetime of the last rebbe, Rabbi Menachem-Mendel Schneerson. He writes that not only did the rebbe receive a general education, having attended a polytechnic institute in Paris, but that while he was there (before he was appointed Lubavitcher rebbe), he and his wife, Rebbitzin Chaya Mushka, led a bohemian and somewhat hedonistic lifestyle.

Bohemian Groves

According to the book, the rebbitzin remained a very modern woman ("She was a very beautiful woman, who bore a strong resemblance to actress Marlene Dietrich") even after her husband was appointed rebbe. He describes her as refusing for many years to wear a wig, that she wore trousers and smoked cigarettes with a cigarette holder in public, in the style of Western women at that time.

"She had a restraining influence on her husband and only after his death did he begin to develop his messianic direction," the book says.

Professor Menachem Friedman, a scholar of ultra-Orthodox society in the Department of Sociology and Anthropology at Bar Ilan University who has been involved in the study of the life of the Lubavitcher rebbe for a number of years says that this claim too is an amalgam of fact and fantasy.

"The relationship between the Lubavitcher rebbe and his wife was very complex. They shared a great love, even in light of the fact that they lived alone and never had any children. But it is not true that only after her death did he discover Messianism. According to my research, the messianic direction in Chabad is much older, starting in the 1880s, becoming a central tenet during the lifetime of Rabbi Yosef Yitzhak, in the wake of the Communist revolution. It was an attempt to explain it, and later to explain the rebbe's flight and abandonment of his Hasidim in the middle of World War II, when he moved to the United States

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Grand Rabbi for Bush

Rabbi Shalom Yosef Elyashiv endorsed Bush. Responding to queries from Americans residing in Israel Rabbi Elyashiv has decided that Bush is better for Israel than his competitor, John Kerry, said an assistant to the rabbi, Haim Cohen.

The endorsement followed an agreement to built a tri-state water filtration facility in Lakewood NJ and an undisclosed amount of subsidies for a 21st century state of art wig and human hair harvesting center on the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan, the stronghold of monotheistic religion.

Under the plan the wig production will replace opium as a main source of income for the Pakistani and Afghani farmers, financially depleting the al-Qaida. Sources close to the Bush campaign indicated that they are pleased with the outcome of negotiations and extremely grateful for the endorsement, they praised Rabbi Elishav’s strategic vision.

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Give us a king to be over us they all called out, Give us the "Robber" of the hassidim Pharisees

The referendum of the Dan Hassidim

Israeli Authorities Panic Over New Survey Results
17:31 Feb 08, '05 / 29 Shevat 5765

(IsraelNN.com) An independent initiative to launch a national referendum on Sharon's disengagement plan is worrying government officials who plan to do
everything they can to prevent the Israeli public from voicing their opinion on this critical issue.

Talmudic Demonicrazy of the Majority


The following is a translation of an article that apperared on the Hebrew MSN site -- Survey Against Referendum Suspected of Incitement.

The "Jewish Alternative Disengagement Plan" is the name of the new young
competition that has arisen to challenge the Prime Minister's disengagement plan
. While The Prime Minister’s plan speaks of separation from the Palestinians by way of a phased withdrawal from the territories of Judea, Samaria and Gaza, the new plan, that is backed by "Mishalot Yisrael", speaks, in reality, about the transfer of the Arabs.

Purim Palestinia

The registered organization (Mishalot Yisrael), commissioned a survey, already launched, known as the "Sderot Referendum". The organizers represent themselves as those who will try "to bring a smile to the Jews in Israel and to permit them to voice their opinion".

On the Mishalot Yisrael website appear declarations requesting to propose the "Biblical Plan" as an alternative plan to the one known as "the Disengagement Plan". According to the alternative plan, "the territories" will be annexed to Israel and the Arabs who live there will be removed. According to the
organizers of the referendum, Sderot is the starting point. 6,500 referendum ballots (to every household in Sderot) have already been distributed, in which the citizens have been asked to vote their conscience.

The New Road map to hell

Yekutiel ben Yaakov, one of the leaders of the organization, explains, "We have started in Sderot because those who are the first to be affected by the disengagement should be the first to be polled, however we want every Jew in the world to vote and to express their view on the subject."

The question, as it appears on the website:

Do you prefer the "Sharon/Peres Disengagement Plan" (which includes transferring Gaza and Northern Shomron to "Palestinian" control and expulsion of all of the Jews who live there - A move that would bring "Palestinian" territory closer to major Israeli cities such as Ashkelon and Tel Aviv) more than "The Jewish Alternative Disengagement Plan" (which includes annexing these territories and expulsion of the Arabs living there who refuse to live in peace with Israel to an area outside of Israel, deep beyond a safe security buffer zone - A move that would effectively distance the "Palestinian" population from major Israeli cities like Ashkelon and Tel Aviv)?

Noahide enforcement of the ger toshav (resident Aliens) or Purim ala shemborg collective

On Saturday night February 5th, police arrived at Ben Yaakov's Jerusalem residence, detaining him for several hours of investigation, after which he was released. The official reason for the arrest: "search for inciteful material".

"I did not know why they were arresting me. Evidently, there were no grounds for the arrest and this is why I was immediately released. They told me they were searching for materials containing incitement, so I told them that if they were looking for the Sderot ballots they can collect them from 6,500 houses in Sderot were they have already been distributed."

Ben Yaakov promises to publish the results of the survey in the near future and he is sure that the "Biblical plan"

The Talmudic Babblical Plan of the Hoodlum hoo haha mitzvah shutzpah

"The Jewish Alternative Plan" will win by a landslide. "We have to hope that the government will be sensitive to public opinion. We have already commissioned several national surveys from credible polling institutions and, according to some of them, there is a majority for the Jewish alternative plan."

Why are you really doing this referendum?
"The Israeli authorities are very scared of a referendum and we want to show the minority (the supporters of Sharon's disengagement plan, according to Ben Yaakov) the true results of such a referendum."

Isn't it clear to you that you are proposing apartheid that contradicts democracy?

"I don't support apartheid against Arabs. If Ariel Sharon wants to separate the Jews from the Arabs - this is apartheid. Ariel Sharon has paved the way and given a stamp of kashrut for the future expulsion of the Arabs, since he proposes expulsion of the Jews. As far as I am concerned, Arabs that are loyal can remain in our territories without any problems..."

Loyal obedient "Goyim Noahide Slaves, subjected to humiliation and depravity

If the reader's comments to this article on msn.co.il are any indication, such a referendum as the one proposed by Mishal Yisrael would result in an impressive victory for those who are offering the Jewish alternative plan. Over 80 percent of the comments were fully supportive of the Jewish alternative plan.

The hassidim Chabad Lubavitch plan....which Bushkevik has been told to stay away from, so that they could have their referendum for their "Revelaed" Moshiach to become reality 

Don't forget the Catholicos........

Andras Bereny who was a key member of the Italian referendum party in Brescia and a former candidate for the Italian Senate, has helped pass over 4 referendum packages in Italy. He has joined forces with the organizers of the Israeli Referendum Initiative from "Mishalot Yisrael" and will be in Sderot at polling stations together with attorneys to verify signatures and ballots. Bereny said the Mishalot Sderot Referendum is very exciting to him as a Jew as it is the real thing, with us contributing to determining the destiny of the Jewish people and not just
some other nation in the Galut."

"Mishalot Yisrael" has invited international observers to witness true Israeli democracy at work.

true demonicrazy at work "Our goal is to get a bigger voter turnout at our referendum than there is in national Israeli elections," said Ben Yaakov.

Ben Yaakov rejects the type of referendum that Yesha is lobbying on behalf of for several reasons. "Firstly, they offer no alternative to the Sharon/Peres proposal. Second, we have no time to wait for Sharon to agree to make a referendum. If Sharon should agree to such a referendum, he will have the advantage as the one who words the referendum, wins the referendum. And according to every national poll that has been taken in Israel, Sharon has a firm majority if the question will be a Yes / No referendum on Sharon's disengagement plan. The reason for this is that the average Israel wishes to be as far away as possible from the 'Palestinians.'

"Our referendum that offers the Jewish alternative, actually offers an alternative that would distance the Arab threat further away, and not conflict with Torah and democratic values. Sharon's proposal to drive out all of the Jews from Gaza and Shomron negates the Torah and democracy.

and the Toarh Mishnah of their tradition of satan of Talmud Bavli makes the WORD of God of none effect unto them

 Sharon calls for expulsion of each and every Jew from Gaza. That is as racist a proposal one could make."

"Adding the alternative proposal that calls not to throw out every Arab because they are Arab, but rather to remove most of the Arabs who will likely refuse not to swear allegiance with Israel offers a Jewish and democratic alternative that is sure to win over the hearts of most Jews in Israel. When we publish the results that we have from the national surveys that we have already commissioned, people will be shocked to learn just how many people reject Sharon's plan when given a viable alternative."

Ben Yaakov plans to shock the nation on Thursday when he releases the findings of the earlier surveys that he has already commissioned from national pollsters on this subject.

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Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

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On the Main Entrance to the Knesset it is inscribed: 'Compassion Toward a Non-Jew is Forbidden'

"... The Jews forgot that their primary constitution, on which they rely, is full of intellectual religious terrorism against all other nations. Aqidati decided to wage a battle against International Zionism in order to expose the extent of terrorism that exists in the Zionist doctrinal mind. The truth of the matter is that the Jews themselves do not deny [the existence of] Zionist terrorism. Whoever visits the Israeli parliament known as 'The Knesset' will notice at the main entrance a sentence written on the wall saying: 'Compassion towards a non-Jew is forbidden, if you see him fall into a river or face danger, you are prohibited from saving him because all the nations are enemies of the Jews and when a non-Jew falls into a ditch, the Jew should close the ditch on him with a big boulder, until he dies, so that the enemies will lose one person and the Jews will be able to preserve their dream of the Promised Land, the Greater Israel!'

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The Jews' Sacred Obligation to Murder 'Goyim'

"Dr. Muhammad Abdalla Al-Sharqawi says in his book 'The Talmudic Scandals' that the Talmud ... exposes the hidden aspects of the Jewish psyche... The Jewish Rabbis came up with it as a result of the deep distress over [their] exile and fragmentation, which cultivated in the Jewish psyche hatred and loathing and a raging need for vengeance and tyrannical control over non-Jewish nations. To this day Jewish life is based to a great extent on the Talmudic dictates and principles...

"Dr. Al-Sharqawi adds that if we examine the Talmudic attitude toward other, non-Jewish nations, we will find it to be as close as can be to a desire to completely annihilate the 'Goyim' - the non-Jewish nations. For instance, the Talmud says: 'Murdering a non-Jew whenever possible is an obligation. A Jew is a sinner if he can murder non-Jews but does not do so. And a Jewish priest who blesses a person [Jew] who brings evidence that he murdered one or more non-Jews is a blessed priest. Murdering non-Jews pleases God, because the flesh of non-Jews is the flesh of donkeys and their sperm is the sperm of animals.'

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http://www.nishma.org/articlesbytalmud.html

GOD of the Proselytes of Judaeo-Churchinsanity...Contrary unto Christ and all mankind

 

There is an old joke that asks how a chassid and a mitnagid know about the existence of God. According to the punchline, the chassid knows because his Rebbe told him; the mitnagid knows because he thinks he saw it in the Rashba.

While the joke successfully serves as a double punch against both chassidim and their opponents, underlying its humour is the serious issue of how we, as Jews, relate to God. In the general Jewish world, God is a strange figure; His Presence is powerfully felt and not felt. If someone accepts another faith, we bar that person from involvement within the Jewish world. 

Jews for Jesus do not occupy a place within our Federation round tables regardless of their identification or birth as Jews

and correctly so. Brother Daniel was not admitted as a Jew under the Law of Return; the Israeli courts deemed his Christian beliefs to be a bar to his Jewishness as understood by Israeli law - and the "gut feeling" of the average Israeli and Jew. (See further, on the issue of Brother Daniel, Encyclopedia Judaica 8:63 

and, specifically in regard to the halachic definition of Jewish identity - which would declare Brother Daniel a Jew - and in theological explanation thereof, my Crisis in Jewish Identity, Nishma IV - VII.) Judaism is deemed, by the average Jew whether observant or not, to be a religion; foreign views of God cannot be tolerated within our Jewish consciousness. God's Presence in even our colloquial Jewishness is, indeed, felt.

Yet, it is a Presence that is somewhat felt in the negative. If you have the wrong idea of God, than there is a bar to Jewishness; but if you have no idea or don't care about God, in the general Jewish world, there is no such bar.

 The atheist can become president of Federation; Secular Judaism which bluntly removes God from its Jewishness is part of our general Jewish community.

 What does this say about our view of God - His significance, our understanding of and our relationship to Him, within our general Jewish consciousness and perspective? Bluntly, the community does not assert in the positive - a Jewish perception of God

There is no discussion of God within our Federations; we are more comfortable with promoting our peoplehood or ethnicity than professing our religion. We, in fact, feel uncomfortable when God is mentioned - not just in our Federation buildings but also in our synagogues

A rabbi whom I consider a mentor told me that after his first few months in his present pulpit (a membership that is mostly non-observant), a committee of the Board approached him in regard to his sermons. They felt that they sounded too Protestant, different then what they expected from the Rabbi on Shabbat morning. The difficulty, when he questioned them for more clarification, was his constant reference to God. In Jewish education - formal and informal, for children and for adults - how much emphasis is placed on God? What is the place of theology in our Federation buildings, our Jewish schools, even our synagogues? God's Presence is, indeed, not felt.

There are those who would maintain that this approach to God is, in fact, the Jewish way. Theologically, they argue, Judaism only states the negative; it does not assert the positive

The parameters of Judaism, they say, are defined by what one does not believe, not by what one does believe. 

We can declare what views of God are not Jewish but, they contend, we cannot and need not declare in the positive, what the Jewish view of God is. This view is based on an incorrect understanding of the famous words of Rambam, Moreh Nevuchim I:58 which contend that we can only describe God through the negative, what He is not. 

We can not describe God through the positive, stating what He is. 

People argue that this is why Judaism can only be defined by what one does not believe, not through the assertion of a positive Jewish perception of God. Rambam, though, was referring to our attempt to understand God through an understanding of His attributes. The Perfect Unity cannot have attributes as we understand this word; we can only use negative attributes, what he is not, to describe Him. Implicit, actually, in the words of Rambam is a powerful perception of God - and a powerful perception of the expected affect on our life because of His Existence. 

The essence of Rambam's Jewishness, in fact, is the philosophical contemplation of Hashem. See Moreh Nevuchim III:54 and Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Yesodei HaTorah, chap. 1. To use Rambam's words referring to the use of the negative when describing God to imply that Judaism is only concerned about what you do not believe and not what you do believe, is a gross misuse of his words. He, in fact, had definite ideas about God according to Torah, as evidenced by his concrete presentation of the principles of Judaism, emphatically denouncing deviations and those who deviated from the true belief in Hashem. See Rambam, Commentary to the Mishna, Sanhedrin, chap. 10 (Introduction to Chelek). Rambam would never accept the laxity of God's Presence in colloquial Jewishness. Yet, we must still wonder how the Rambam's words could be so mis-applied. What exists in Jewishness that allows for such an attitude to take hold?

A similar question can be asked about the notion that Judaism has no dogmas. Rabbi J. David Bleich, With Perfect Faith, General Introduction opens with the mention of this "widespread misconception" and summarily dismisses it as "even a superficial acquaintance with the classical works of Jewish philosophy is sufficient to dispel this misconceived notion." Then how did this attitude develop? What within Judaism allowed for this mis-conception to take hold? The question is a legitimate one for whenever there is a deviation from the traditional Torah path, we are obligated to find the point of departure and correct any weakness (if found) that allowed for this mis-understanding to occur.

 Rashi, Mishna Avot 1:3 informs us of the source from which the heresy of the Sadducees arose - Tzaddok's misunderstanding of the words of Antigonus Ish Socho. We have a similar obligation. Where did this concept of "dogmaless Judaism", which, as Rabbi Bleich indicates, is totally without foundation, arise? (On the Rashi's substantive issue see, also, Mishneh Avot 1:11 which tells us to be careful of our words for people may mis-interpret what is said, and Rashi, Bereishit 1;26 which points out that sometimes one must say what is correct even if it will be misused and misapplied.)

Rabbi Bleich points to a work of Moses Mendelssohn as the source for this viewpoint. Yet Moses Mendelssohn could not have meant what colloquial Judaism understands from his words. The modern, as Rabbi Bleich calls it, dogma of dogmalessness basically states that Judaism has no beliefs, supporting, in a way, the above mentioned attitude that Judaism limits what you may not believe but does not state what you must believe. While I do not have access to the Rabbi Bleich's exact source, in the same work, Moses Mendelssohn (Jerusalem and Other Jewish Writings, translated and edited by Alfred Jospe, p.154) does write:

"Essentially, the religion of the Israelites encompasses only three central principles: God, Providence, and legislation. These principles were expanded by our religious leaders along the following lines:

"(a) God, the Author and absolute Sovereign of all things, is one and simple [single] (in His person as well as His nature).

"(b) This God is aware of all that happens in His creation. He rewards good and punishes evil by natural and, at times, supra-natural means.

"(c) This God has made known His laws to the children of Israel through Moses, the son of Amram. We still possess these laws in writing."

No doubt, Moses Mendelssohn was of the opinion that there was a great spectrum of halachically acceptable views within Jewish thought, yet a perusal of Rabbi Bleich's work would also support such an assertion. This is not to say that the views Moses Mendelssohn would consider halachically acceptable, would also so be accepted by Rabbi Bleich. There, perhaps, also seems to be in the words of Moses Mendelssohn a greater intimation of freedom for a person to choose as he/she may wish from this spectrum - a matter which Rabbi Bleich also discusses with sources for the indication of stricter parameters. Yet, clearly, without entering into a discussion of the merits of Moses Mendelssohn's views, this is not a dogma of dogmalessness. What existed in Jewishness that allowed for these words to be mis-applied? What exists in our traditional view of Hashem that allowed for colloquial Jewishness' ignoring of Him?

We can point to the lack of God's Presence in the general Jewish world and answer: what do you expect?, they are not religious. How, though, did a Jewishness without God arise? Once a deity is removed from a religion, the identification is removed. Can we imagine atheist Christians or atheist Moslems? Perhaps there are atheists who celebrate Christmas but we cannot imagine a lack of belief in the mainstream of a faith. Yet, the essence of colloquial Jewishness, although perhaps not atheistic, is God limited. Our major institutions of the general community do not consider God or think about Him.

 

 

DVAR TORAH

 

Israel and the Peace Treaty:

Framing the Halachic Question

Rabbi Benjamin Hecht

 

The present situation in Israel is obviously one of the most significant issues facing the Jewish people today. The question must be asked: what is the halachic directive in this regard? Differing opinions are actually heard from various poskim and Torah scholars; there are those that favour the peace initiative and those against it

What, though, is the nature of this disagreement? Do they differ in matters of Halacha or is the disagreement in mitzi'ut? Those who favour the peace treaty declare the woe, lo aleinu, that will ensue if it fails; those who oppose it declare similar misfortune, again lo aleinu, if it continues. Clearly the determination of the halachic directive is necessary, yet, the argument over the peace treaty seems to be an argument of what will happen, how to correctly assess reality. This seems to be a matter of mitzi'ut - for determination by experts in the fields of military science, diplomacy or politics. While a posek must ultimately render a decision based upon his determination of facts, based even upon conflicting expert opinions in these variant fields, the discussion is not for the beit midrash. While there is passionate disagreement over the peace treaty, this matter does not seem to be a disagreement in Torah theory - or is it? Is there a halachic issue in regard to the peace initiative?

The underlying assumption in declaring the argument regarding the peace treaty a machloket b'mitzi'ut is that the halachic directive is clear. In this matter, that directive would be that in the interest of peace, guaranteed peace, it would be permissible, even mandatory, to trade land for peace. The question is whether this agreement will bring peace - a question of fact. In discussing this matter with many opposed to the present initiative, they admit that if peace was guaranteed, they would, albeit reluctantly, trade land. It is, however, not universally accepted that, halachically, land can indeed be traded for even a guaranteed peace. Rabbi Herschel Schachter, Journal of Halacha and Contemporary Society, Number 16, "Land for Peace: A Halachic Perspective" expresses the opinion that, in certain circumstances, it may even be forbidden to trade land for peace.

We are clearly more comfortable in approaching the present argument over the peace initiative as a machloket b'mitzi'ut. Even Rabbi Aaron M. Schreiber, The Journal of Halacha and Contemporary Society, Number 18, "Relinquishing Yehudah and Shomron: A Response to Rabbi Bleich", in response to the article of Rabbi J. David Bleich, The Journal of Halacha and Contemporary Society, Number 16, "Of Land, Peace and Divine Command" which argues that land can indeed be traded for peace (although Rabbi Bleich, writing actually before the present peace initiative, does also present the concerns about the possibility of genuine peace - see, further, Rabbi J. David Bleich, The Journal of Halacha and Contemporary Society, Number 18, "Withdrawal From Liberated Territories" in response to Rabbi Schreiber), falls back on the mitzi'ut issue that relinquishing territory would only be suicidal. Bluntly, Judaism values human life. This is a powerful halachic concept. Piku'ach nefesh, even safek piku'ach nefesh, the threat to life, even the possibility of threat to life, overrides most commandments, even Shabbat. See Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Shabbat 2:1. We are less troubled perceiving the issue to be one of protecting human life with our disagreement centring on the reality that will best assure this outcome. Rabbi Schachter's assertion that even at the expense of peace - even at the cost of Jewish lives - we may be forbidden to trade land, is one that forces us to truly confront our understanding of Israel and political sovereignty in the realm of halachic values.

They speak only of jewish life, for the goyim are lesser than animal souls

Each individual human life is of great importance within the world of Torah values. There is the famous Mishneh Sanhedrin 4:5 that compares a life to a universe. There is also the famous law that even at the expense of the entire community, we are prohibited to hand over one person to attackers to be killed. Each life is qualitatively unique and not to be part of a quantified entity. See, further, Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Yesodei HaTorah 5:5. Yet, human life is not always halachically paramount. There are values that override as evidenced by the three categories of Torah law which we must not violate even at the cost of our lives: avodah zarah (idolatry), shefichat damim (murder), gilu'i arayot (the major sexual violations). The concept of kiddush haShem, sanctifying God's Name calls upon us to place demonstration of belief above even life. See Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Yesodei HaTorah, chap. 5 and Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh De'ah, chap. 157. The halachic question that we must face in considering this peace initiative is whether Jewish sovereignty in Israel is also a value that overrides life? and if so, to what extent?

It is most interesting that we, as a community, did not confront this very question when Israel was first established. The reality was that even the establishment of the State and subsequent war was perceived also as an issue of human life. After the horror of the Holocaust, the establishment of a safe haven for our people was a clear necessity. The cost of war was framed as a question of risking one's life to save other lives. (See, further, Rabbi J. David Bleich, Contemporary Halakhic Problems, Volume 2, Chapter 10 for a brief introduction to this issue.) This may, in fact, have been the truth and may still, based on one's perception of the mitzi'ut today, be the truth. Yet, it is perhaps time for us to recognize the significant underlying halachic issue of the value of political sovereignty - of a Jewish State - in relation to the value of life. And this is not just an issue in regard to Yehudah and Shomron but involves the very nature of the State. Halachically, when does the value of Jewish sovereignty override the value of life, if ever, and when does the value of life override the value of Jewish sovereignty, if ever? Trading land for peace is but one issue within a broader halachic concern that touches the very essence of our connection to Israel.

Minchat Chinuch, mitzvah 425 states that whenever the Torah demands war, implicit in the command is the assumption of danger. The Torah, by definition, is commanding with the recognition that there is loss of human life on both sides of a conflict. If the mitzvah of kivush eretz Yisrael, conquering the land of Israel, applies today, then the command to achieve political sovereignty would apply even when there is sakana, danger. A significant question for our discussion is, thus, whether this command applies today? If one argues there is no command to conquer, would a command not to relinquish even at the expense of war, though, still apply? Is there another reason for declaring war mandatory? Interestingly,

 Rabbi Schachter argues that since war is part of the process of geula, redemption, stopping the war (i.e. the present hostilities between Israel and the Arabs) prematurely would not be allowed; as it is the war leading to the geula, halting it will only delay the coming of the redemption.

redemption unto the son of perdition by WAR and death and the Covenant with hell they have made

 Such an assertion can only be based on a supernatural understanding of these events which, according to Rabbi Schachter, would have halachic validity.

they must have their wars for their hoodlum haha, ordo ab chao

 Yet, the Minchat Chinuch's very argument that a mitzvah dealing with war must allow for sakana was based on the premise that Halacha always works within the natural realm. Notwithstanding this and other possible questions on Rabbi Schachter's position, (including challenges to the necessity of war as a prelude to geula - see also Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim 12:2), the emphatic point is made. The question is not just human life and the machloket b'mitzi'ut of which process, maintaining the land or trading land for peace, will ensure the greatest protection of life. While this question of reality still remains a most important matter for resolution, we now see that there are other issues that necessitate discussion - in the beit midrash. Israel represents, or may represent, other values - national sovereignty, Jewish presence in the land of our forefathers, hitchalta d'geula, the beginning of the redemption - and there is the need to halachically clarify the clash of these values with the value of human life.

The formulation of the Minchat Chinuch, especially in light of the comments of Chinuch, mitzvah 425 himself, must be further reviewed. The specific mitzvah under discussion concerned the command to destroy the "Seven Nations". The Chinuch writes that if one finds a member of these nations and can kill this person without sakana, then one is commanded to kill this member of the "Seven Nations". It is to this that the Minchat Chinuch responds that, by definition, since this mitzvah involved war, the command had to exist even in the face of sakana. He concludes his remarks with a question on the Chinuch. A possible way of understanding the Chinuch, though, would be to postulate that war is a unique category of sakana. On a private, personal level, piku'ach nefesh, life overrides even this command. On the communal level, a sakana known as war is to be tolerated. This is further evidenced by the very fact that the Jewish nation is permitted to enter war at their own initiative (given the meeting of certain requirements) while on a individual level we could not contemplate a similar level of sakana (and aggression) to meet our personal demands. See, further, on the unique category of war, Ntziv, HaEmek Davar, Bereishit 9:5 and Devarim 20:8. In this perspective, it may not be that political sovereignty overrides life per se but that in regard to this value, the unique communal danger of war is to be tolerated or even mandated. But then war, in its own strange way, has its own rules. What is a tolerable war? When does victory become too costly? T.B. Shevuot 35b states that a monarchy (i.e. government) that only kills one in six is not punished. Tosfot, d.h. D'katla clearly applies this statement to a nation's right to wage war. Is this gemara introducing some standard of acceptable war? Would this be a standard for toleration or, also, obligation, in evaluating a war situation?

Yet, we must also ask if we as a Jewish nation, at the present time, can be in a halachically defined and acceptable situation of war where these unique conditions would apply? See for background information on the halachic definitions and attitude in regard to war, Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim, chapters 5-8. For further discussion of the issue, see also Rabbi J. David Bleich, Contemporary Halachic Problems, Volume 2, Chapter 7 and Volume 3, Chapter 11. The question of whether we are to halachically approach the situation in Israel solely within the realm of personal individual law, allowing only the rights as individuals to defend self and property, or within the realm of public national law, allowing the unique right as a nation to wage war, is significant. It is not surprising that the authors, noted above, that discuss the issue of land for peace, while perhaps not explicitly, implicitly include within their discussion this important point. (Interestingly, a consequential factor in this entire discussion is the role of the urim v'tumim in war and whether it is, at one extreme, necessary even in waging an obligated war or not even necessary in a discretionary war?)

Other questions also have to be addressed. One is our responsibility to Torah belief ideals within the land (see Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Avodat Kochavim, chapter 10) and the necessary clarification of our relationship to Islam and Christianity. Paradoxically, one of the arguments for the heter shemittah, the halachic method used to bypass the agricultural restrictions of the Seventh Year, was the enhanced status of the Muslim as a non-idolator. See Rabbi M.Z. Neriya, "The History of the Heter for Shemittah" in The Shemittah Year. Could this status now also affect, in favour of a treaty, the matter at hand ? (On the specific question of the status of non-Jews today, see, also Nishma: Issues, Numbers 1 and 3.)

Truthfully, we should also mention that in the machloket b'mitzi'ut issue itself, there are also halachic questions for investigation regarding how we are to respond given conflicting facts - and even in regard to our, or the posek's, right to resolve factual disagreements given that we are not experts in the field. Doubt as to the reality is also a mitzi'ut case to which Halacha responds. This matter is even more pronounced when the issue concerns life. Safek peku'ach nefesh, even the chance of danger, is deemed to override Shabbat. But what does one do when either choice could be life-saving or life-threatening? This question arises to a great extent in regard to experimental medical therapy and I direct you to the many works on medical ethics that investigate this issue. It should also be noted that a further mitzi'ut issue that may need resolution could be the cost of continued war.

We must also turn to historical precedent. Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai's surrender to Rome obviously indicates that at some point relinquishing political sovereignty for peace is acceptable. See T.B. Gittin 56a,b. Was this only because he saw defeat as inevitable? Was he also concerned about the possibility of a pyrrhic victory? Was the sovereignty of Yavneh enough to justify not continuing the war? It must be remembered that Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai, at first, it would seem, supported the rebellion. Rabbi Akiva's challenge of Rabbi Yochanan can also not be forgotten, yet, Rabbi Akiva did not challenge the very concept of surrendering but rather, in his mind, the limited concessions for which Rabbi Yochanan settled. It must further be remembered that Rabbi Yochanan's action is considered to have saved Torah l'dorot, for the generations. In any event, in their application to our modern situation, the conditions for Rabbi Yochanan's choice of peace over war must be analyzed - just as the decision to support Bar Kochba and the choice of war over peace in that case must also be analyzed. Of specific significance in the latter case, though, may be the religious persecution of that period, although there is always the question of which came first, and the Messianic perception of Bar Kochba. See Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim 11:3.

In conclusion, in all the debate about Israel, it is the subtle halachic issue of sovereignty at the expense of human life that we often ignore. Both those who favour and those who oppose the present initiative must clarify their positions within this spectrum before tackling the specific matter of the treaty. If one deems life to be simply paramount, then would that not theoretically entail even the foregoing of political sovereignty over Tel Aviv if life could thus be spared? If one deems sovereignty to be simply paramount, then would that not entail foregoing any concessions even at the expense of continued hostilities and the loss of perhaps many lives? If the halachic answer lies somewhere between these two extremes, where is that position to be drawn? The question of whether this position of maintaining sovereignty at the expense of war is one that is allowed or mandated must also be considered. Yet it is in this realm - a world that we as Jews approach hesitantly because of our very concern for life - that we must embark for a halachic clarification, not only of this specific matter but, of the very essence of our commitment to Israel.

And when they shall say Peace, sudden destruction shall fall upon them

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-01-21-bush-iran_x.htm

Bush administration keeping wary eye on Iran

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush refuses to rule out war with Iran. Iranian President Mohammad Khatami says his country is ready to defend itself against a U.S. attack. The United States is pushing for a peaceful solution to its nuclear impasse with Iran but, with mistrust on both sides running high, encouraging signs are hard to find.

Iran 'is at the top of the list' of world trouble spots, Vice President Cheney said earlier this week.

Mike Theiler, AFP

"You look around the world at potential trouble spots, Iran is right at the top of the list," Vice President Cheney said Thursday in an interview with radio host Don Imus, hours before being sworn in to a second term.

Asked hypothetically whether the United States would yield to Israel in a scenario in which an attack against Tehran was being considered, he said, "One of the concerns people have is that Israel might do it without being asked, that if in fact the Israelis became convinced the Iranians had a significant nuclear capability, given the fact that Iran has a stated policy that their objective is the destruction of the state of Israel, that the Israelis might well decide to act first and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterward."

"We don't want a war in the Middle East if we can avoid it," 

hahahahheeeeeeewhoooooeeeeeey what the heck do you think you have yid-iot

Cheney quickly added, "and certainly, in the case of the Iranian situation, I think everybody would best suited by, and or best treated or dealt with, if we could deal with it diplomatically."

On Monday, Bush reaffirmed his support for a diplomatic settlement of Iran's nuclear program but said, "I will never take any option off the table."

Because his hassidic shemgods must have their wars for their long coveted hoodlum hoo haha of Moshaich ben satan

Perhaps the most pessimistic comment of all this week came from Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del.

"There may be nothing we can do to persuade Iran not to develop weapons of mass destruction," Biden said during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee confirmation hearing for Secretary of State-designate Condoleezza Rice.

with hopeful glee of obedient ger toshav "righteousness"

Both Rice and Cheney made clear that the nuclear diplomacy the United States has been pursuing in the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency will continue.

Then destroy all nuclear weapons on this earth....yeah right 

They said the administration could raise the stakes with Iran by referring the nuclear question to the U.N. Security Council if Iran does not abide by its nonproliferation commitments.

The administration has been hopeful that a nonproliferation initiative being carried out with Iran by Germany, France and Britain will produce results.

But the administration is skeptical that Iran is bargaining in good faith. For its part, Iran says its nuclear program is aimed at producing energy, not weapons.

Rice said U.S. differences with Iran go well beyond its nuclear program.

"It's really hard to find common ground with a government that thinks Israel should be extinguished," she told senators. "It's difficult to find common ground with a government that is supporting Hezbollah and terrorist organizations that are determined to undermine the Middle East peace that we seek."

But it is mighty fine with us to decapitate all the opposed Goyim, by ISREALHELL'S Sanhedrin

Beyond that, Rice listed Iran among six "outposts of tyranny."

# 1 Washington DC of Greater Isrealhell

Khatami, traveling Thursday in Africa, seemed unconcerned about the consequences of a possible U.S. attack.

"We have prepared ourselves," he said. He added that he did not anticipate any "lunatic" military move by the United States because Washington has too many problems in Iraq.

and twelve military bases

According to an article by Seymour Hersh published this week in The New Yorker, U.S. officials have been trying to get to the bottom of Iran's nuclear puzzle through a covert operation inside Iran that has been under way since last summer.

Defense Department officials said the article was filled with mistakes but did not deny its basic point

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Noahide News Part 119

 

The Last Deception

Section 2

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section 4 

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section 6  

section 7 

  section 8 

section  9     

section 10  

section 11  

section 12  

section 13 

section 14 "The Protocols of the Illuminated Elders of Tzion"

  section 15 

      section 16 "The Beast Has Risen" 

 section 16-B

 section 17  

  section 17-B  

  section 17-C   

section 17-D

  section 18    

section 18-B

section 19    

section 19-B

section 20  

 section 20-B 

  section 20-C 

  section 20-D 

  section 20-E

section 21 

  section 22  

section 23

section 24

section 25

Daniel's Seventy Weeks

Was Peter a Jew?

The Two Witnesses

"The Whore of Babylon"

Mystery Babylon

 Are the " Ael-ians coming"

Ael-ians II

Wall Street " The Mark" is Here

Wall Street II

Wall Street III

It has happened "War Declared upon and in America"

Declared section Part II

"Questions"

"All you ever need to know about their god and Qabalah"

Qabalah Part II

Qabalah Part III

National Identification Card

 ADDED Material 3-25-2004 Prophecy Unfolding

A Sincere Request to  "Rapture" Teachers

"Seventh Trumpet"

Compulsory Constitutional Cremation

Homeland Security, "The Police State"

"The Fourth Beast"

The Babylonian Talmudic Mystical Qabalah

The Scribes of Baal

How will they do it- " The false-christ"

False Christ Part II

The Word

Baal's food Tax

"The Changing of the Guards"

"Summation" The beginning of sorrows has begun

"Moshiach ben Lucifer"

Satan's Tales "Wagging the Global Dog"

"Satan's Plan", Protocols of Zion ( of course they will dispute it's authenticity)

I Witch, New One World Order Seal

Satan's Enforcers of Quaballah

Satan's Enforcers Part 2

Satan's Enforcers Part 3

Satan's Enforcers Part 4

The Seed of God or the Seed of Satan, Your choice by faith

Pledge of Allegiance Part Two

I AM, the Revelation of Jesus Christ

King of the Noachides

"Beware the Mark"

"Beware the Mark" part two

"Beware the Mark" Part 3

"Beware the Mark" Part Four

"Beware the Mark" Part Five

 Harvest of Fear

"Harvest of Fear" Part Two

"Harvest of Fear" Part Three

National Organization Against Hasidic International Talmudic Enforcement

Where's Da Plane Boss, wheres da plane?

The Tarot Card Killer of Olam Ha Ba

The "Lessor Jew"

Temporary Coup d' Etat

The Federal Reserve, Fed up with the Fed?

The Protocols Today. Dispute this, Liars !

Protocols Today Part Two

Letter to a friend "It's not the Jews Dummy"

Identity of the Illuminati

The "Son's of the Synagogue of Satan"Chabad Lubavitch

Chabad Satan Part 1A

Chabad Satan Part 2

Chabad Satan Part 2A

Chabad Satan Part 2B

Chabad Satan Part 3

Chabad Satan Part 3A

Chabad Satan Part 4

Chabad Satan Part 4A

Chabad Satan Part 4B

Chabad Satan Part 4C

Chabad Satan Part 5

Chabad satan Part 5A

Chabad Satan Part 5B

Chabad Satan Part 5C

Chabad Satan Part 6

Chabad Satan Part 6B

Chabad Satan Part 6C

Chabad Satan Part 6D

Chabad Satan Part 7

Chabad Satan Part 7A

Chabad Satan Part 7B

Chabad Satan Part 7C

Chabad Satan Part 8

Chabad Satan Part 8A

Chabad Satan Part 8B

Chabad Satan Part 8C

Chabad Satan Part 8D

Chabad Satan Part 9

Chabad Satan Part 9A

Chabad Satan Part 9B

Chabad Satan Part 9C

Chabad Satan Part 9D

Chabad Satan Part 10

Chabad Satan Part 10A

Chabad Satan Part 10B

Chabad Satan Part 10C

Chabad Satan Part 10D

Chabad Satan Part 11

The Chabad Satan Wall of Destruction

Chabad Wall Part 2

Chabad Wall Part 3

Chabad Wall Part 4

The Chabad Phoenix is Rising

Columbia "The Queen of Heaven"

Patriot Akt II, Comrad 

The Infiltration of the leaven "Jerusalem Council"

Satan's One World Religion

OWR Part 2

OWR Part 3

OWR Part 4

One World Religion Part 5

One World Religion Part 6

One World Religion Part 7 Religion Part 7

Re the god of Talmud Bavli

Perpetual Purim

"The Raiser of Taxes"

Jewish Persecution

Obedient Ishmael Kislev 19, 5764

The Final Nazi

Nazi Part 2

Nazi Part 3

Nazi Part 4

The Lord of the Ring, the Return of the Talmudic king

Changing the Time and the Laws

The Leaven of the Chabad Lubavitch Chassidim Pharisees

Exod-U.S the coming Geula 

anti-semitism?

Who murdered Jesus the Christ

"Replacement Theology" of Judaic Talmudism

Eating Rainbow Stew with a Silver Spoon, underneath a Noahide Sky

the gods

"The Two Whores"

Noahide News

Noahide News 2

Noahide News Part 3

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Letter to Bob Jones and President Bush and all televangelist

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