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INTERNATIONAL NEWS CONFERENCE
NATIONAL PRESS CLUB ,
WILLIAM SCHULZ, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AMNESTY
all senior U.S. officials
involved in the torture scandal.
And if those investigations support prosecution, those
foreign governments should arrest any official who enters their territory and
should begin legal proceedings against that official.
We've documented that the U.S. government is a
leading purveyor and practitioner of this odious human rights violation. And
the refusal of the U.S. government to conduct a truly independent
investigation into the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison and other detention
centers is tantamount to a whitewash, if not a cover-up, of these
If the U.S. government continues to shirk its
responsibility, Amnesty International calls today on foreign governments to
uphold their obligations under international law by investigating
Crimes such as torture
are so serious that they amount to an offense against all of humanity and
they require government to investigate and prosecute people responsible for
those crimes no matter where the crime was committed.
Amnesty International issues a list today.
President George Bush's own
role in this scandal.
After all, his administration has repeatedly
justified its detention and interrogation policies as legitimate under the
president's powers as commander in chief of the armed forces.
The List includes Donald
Rumsfeld, who approved a December 2002 memorandum that permitted such
unlawful interrogation techniques as stress positions, prolonged isolation,
stripping and the use of dogs at Guantanamo Bay. It includes William
Haynes, the Defense Department general counsel who wrote that memo.
It includes Douglas Feith, undersecretary of
defense for policy, who was cited in the memo as concurring with its
recommendation. Our list includes Major General
Geoffery Miller, commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo, whose
subordinates used some of the approved torture techniques and who was then
himself sent to Iraq, where he recommended that prison guards, quote,
"soften up detainees for interrogation."
And it includes former CIA Director George
Tenet, whose agency kept so-called ghost detainees off registration
logs and hidden during visits by the Red Cross, and whose operatives
reportedly used such techniques as water boarding, fainting, suffocation,
stress positions and incommunicado detention.
Our list includes Attorney
General Gonzales, who called the Geneva conventions "quaint
and obsolete" in a January 2002 memo, and who requested the memos that
fueled the atrocities at Abu Ghraib.
It includes Lieutenant
Richard Sanchez, former commander of U.S. forces in Iraq; and
Sanchez's deputy Major General Walter Wojdakowski,
who failed to ensure proper staff oversight of detention and
interrogation operations at Abu Ghraib, according to the military's
And it includes Captain Carolyn
Wood, who oversaw interrogation operations at Bagram Air Base, and who
permitted the use of dogs, stress positions and sensory deprivations.
Now, as I say this is by no means an exhaustive
list of those who deserve investigation. And we would be remiss if we
And President Bush signed a February 2002 memo
stating that the Geneva conventions did not apply to Taliban or Al Qaida
detainees, and that their humane treatment should be contingent on, quote,
"military necessity." This set the stage for the tragic abuse of
Without full and impartial investigations of all
key players, the torture scandal will come to be as indelibly associated
with the Bush presidency as Teapot Dome is with Warren Harding's or
Watergate with Richard Nixon's.
Torture has, of course, been used by
the United States before.
What is different here is that an explicit
rationale for the support of torture was articulated by high administration
officials. And the specific authorization by the secretary of defense, among
others, of the use of specific torture techniques, that, I believe, is
unprecedented or at least, certainly, it has never been revealed before to
And that, I think, lifts this particular case to
an entirely new level. It is one thing to have individuals practicing
torture or committing human rights violations without any kind of rationale
or support, much less command, from those who are their superiors. That is
one thing that happens in virtually every country, I suspect, or has
It is quite another thing for the highest
officials in the land to authorize, rationalize and, indeed, potentially --
and this is what needs to be investigated -- potentially
plot or conspire
to allow this to happen, and, indeed, to therefore reasons why those who
undertake it ought not to be subjected both to international and the U.S.'s
own laws. That's a very different situation. That's the essence of the
SCHULZ: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I'm
William F. Schulz, the executive director of Amnesty International USA.
Today, Amnesty International releases
its annual report on the state of human rights around the world. What
we have found brings shame to governments from Afghanistan to the United
States. We have documented the use of torture and ill
treatment, widespread throughout the world.
We've documented that the U.S.
government is a leading purveyor and practitioner of this odious human rights
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And the refusal of the U.S. government to conduct a
truly independent investigation into the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison and other
detention centers is tantamount to a whitewash, if not a
cover-up, of these disgraceful events.
It is a failure of leadership to prosecute only
enlisted soldiers and a few officers while protecting those who designed a deliberate
government policy of torture and authorized interrogation techniques that
constitute torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. The
government investigation must climb all the way to the top of the military and
civilian chains of command.
If the U.S. government continues to shirk its
responsibility, Amnesty International calls today on foreign governments to
uphold their obligations under international law by investigating all senior
U.S. officials involved in the torture scandal. And if those investigations
support prosecution, those foreign governments should arrest any official who
enters their territory and should begin legal proceedings against that
The apparent high-level architects of torture should
therefore think twice before planning their next vacation to places like
Acapulco or the French Riviera, because they may well find themselves under
arrest, as Augusto Pinochet famously did in London in 1998.
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell warned in 2002
that a failure to apply international law to detainees in Afghanistan may,
quote, "provoke some individual foreign prosecutors
to investigate and prosecute our officials and troops," unquote.
Well, it's not too late for President Bush to heed
those words today and apply international law to all who are responsible for
torture at all U.S. detention centers, not just in Afghanistan.
Secretary Powell also argued at the time that adhering
to international law, quote, "preserves U.S. credibility and moral
authority by taking the high ground."
But how far -- how far from that moral high ground the
U.S. government has fallen. Its descent into torture and ill treatment
includes, as we know, beatings, prolonged restraint in painful positions,
hooding and the use of dogs at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and Bagram Air Base,
and the rendering of detainees to countries that practice torture.
Tolerance for torture and ill treatment, signaled by a
failure to investigate and prosecute those responsible, is the most effective
encouragement for it to expand and grow. Like a virus,
the techniques used by the United States will multiply and spread unless those
who plotted their use are held accountable.
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Those who conducted the abusive interrogations must be
held to account, but so, too, must those who schemed to authorize those
actions, sometimes from the comfort of government buildings.
If the United States permits the architects of torture
policy to get off scot free, then other nations should step into the breach.
SCHULZ: Foreign governments that are party to the
Geneva Conventions and/or the Convention Against Torture -- and that is some
190 countries -- and countries that have national legislation that authorizes
prosecutions -- and that is at least 125 countries -- all of those countries
have a legally binding obligation to exercise what is known as universal
jurisdiction over people accused of grave breaches of the conventions or the
Governments are required to investigate suspects and
if warranted to prosecute them or to extradite them to a country that will
Crimes such as torture are so
serious that they amount to an offense against all of humanity and they
require government to investigate and prosecute people responsible for those
crimes no matter where the crime was committed.
Amnesty International issues a list today. It is not a
comprehensive list, but it is a list of those who may be considered high-level
torture architects. And that list includes Donald
Rumsfeld, who approved a December 2002 memorandum that permitted such
unlawful interrogation techniques as stress positions, prolonged isolation,
stripping and the use of dogs at Guantanamo Bay. It includes William
Haynes, the Defense Department general counsel who wrote that memo. It
includes Douglas Feith, undersecretary of defense for
policy, who was cited in the memo as concurring with its
Our list includes Major General
Geoffery Miller, commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo, whose
subordinates used some of the approved torture techniques and who was then
himself sent to Iraq, where he recommended that prison guards, quote,
"soften up detainees for interrogation."
And it includes former CIA
Director George Tenet, whose agency kept so-called ghost detainees off
registration logs and hidden during visits by the Red Cross, and whose
operatives reportedly used such techniques as water boarding, fainting,
suffocation, stress positions and incommunicado detention.
Our list includes Attorney
General Gonzales, who called the Geneva conventions "quaint and
obsolete" in a January 2002 memo, and who requested the memos that
fueled the atrocities at Abu Ghraib.
It includes Lieutenant Richard
Sanchez, former commander of U.S. forces in Iraq; and Sanchez's deputy Major
General Walter Wojdakowski, who failed to ensure proper staff oversight
of detention and interrogation operations at Abu Ghraib, according to the
military's Fay-Jones report.
And it includes Captain Carolyn
Wood, who oversaw interrogation operations at Bagram Air Base, and who
permitted the use of dogs, stress positions and sensory deprivations.
Now, as I say this is by no means an exhaustive list
of those who deserve investigation. And we would be remiss if we ignored President
George Bush's own role in this scandal. After all, his administration
has repeatedly justified its detention and interrogation policies as
legitimate under the president's powers as commander in chief of the armed
And President Bush signed a February 2002 memo stating
that the Geneva conventions did not apply to Taliban or Al Qaida detainees,
and that their humane treatment should be contingent on, quote, "military
necessity." This set the stage for the tragic abuse of detainees.
Without full and impartial investigations of all key
players, the torture scandal will come to be as
indelibly associated with the Bush presidency as Teapot Dome is with Warren
Harding's or Watergate with Richard Nixon's.
What's more, it's the height of
hypocrisy for the U.S. government itself to use the very torture techniques
that it routinely condemns in other countries. The Bush administration
which saw fit in its most recent country reports on human rights practices to
criticize Syria for administering electric shocks appears to have used the
same torture technique in the war on terror.
Amnesty International took testimony, for example,
from Mohammed Al-Dasari (ph), who alleged that U.S. soldiers subjected him to
electric shocks, death threats, assault and humiliation in Kandahar.
The Bush administration cited Egypt for beating
victims with fists, whips and metal rods. And yet U.S. Major Michael Smith
testified at an administrative review hearing last year that an autopsy of a captured
Iraqi general revealed that he had suffered five broken ribs that were, quote,
"consistent with blunt force trauma. That is either punching,
kicking or striking with an object or being thrown into an object," close
SCHULZ: When the U.S. government calls upon foreign
leaders to bring to justice those who commit or authorize human rights
violations in their
own countries, why should those foreign leaders listen?
And if the U.S. government does not abide by the same
standards of justice, what shred of moral authority will we retain to pressure
other governments to diminish abuses?
It's far past time for President Bush to prove that he
is not covering up the misdeeds of senior officials and political cronies who
designed and authorized these nefarious interrogation policies.
So Congress must appointed a truly impartial and
independent commission to investigate the masterminds of the atrocious human
rights violations at Abu Ghraib and other detention centers, and President
Bush should use the power of his office to press Congress to do so.
And Attorney General Gonzales must appoint an
independent special counsel to conduct criminal investigations into
administration officials, including himself, who are suspected of having
committed, assisted, authorized or condoned these abuses or had command
responsibility for them. Such investigations must apply to both military and
civilian officials who may be complicit in these crimes.
It is inexcusable that the few military higher-ups who
have been held accountable have received the equivalent
of a parental timeout for their wrongdoing. Among them, Colonel Thomas
Pappas, the top military intelligence official stationed at Abu Ghraib in
2003, who was given only a reprimand and a fine amounting to one month's pay.
Even worse, for President Bush to promote and reward
those who should be investigated makes a mockery of the
principles of justice on which this nation was founded.
Those who were rewarded include, of course, as we
know, Gonzales, promoted from White House counsel to the highest law
enforcement position in the land; Timothy Flanagan, just
nominated to serve as Gonzales' second in command, who allegedly contributed
to several key legal opinions that led to torture; Haynes,
the Defense counsel, who was nominated to serve on the 4th Circuit Court of
Appeals; and Jay Bybee, former assistant attorney general in the Office of
Legal Counsel, whose August 2002 memo argued that only interrogation
techniques that cause pain that would ordinarily be associated with death or
organ failure, only those, he said, constitute torture. He was later rewarded
by being nominated to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
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Furthermore, Amnesty International calls upon state
bar authorities to investigate the administration lawyers alleged to be
involved in the torture scandal, to investigate them for failing to meet
professional responsibility standards.
The attorneys who wrote various legal opinions that
may have provided cover for subsequent crimes and who should be investigated
include Bybee and David Addington, general counsel to
Vice President Cheney; Robert Delahunty, former special counsel in the Office
of Homeland Security; and three attorneys in the Office of Legal Counsel, John
Yoo, former deputy assistant attorney general, Patrick Philbin, deputy
assistant attorney general, and Jack Goldsmith, former assistant attorney
We also call on the Justice Department's Office of
Professional Responsibility to make public the findings of its investigations
into the Bybee memo.
A wall of secrecy is protecting
those who masterminded and developed U.S. torture policy. Unless those
who drew the blueprint for torture, who approved it and ordered it
implemented, are held accountable, the United States' once proud reputation as
an exemplar of human rights will remain in tatters.
SCHULZ: Its shattered image will
continue to fuel anti-American sentiment around the globe and will make the
world a more dangerous place.
And Amnesty International's new report today documents
just how dangerous the world remains. Nepal is on the brink of catastrophe. Each
day there civilians face possible torture, disappearances, political
executions, abduction, arbitrary detention, rape and other abuses at the hands
of government security forces and insurgents from the
New cases of torture are reported almost daily, and
hundreds of student activists, journalists, trade unionists and human rights
defenders have been arrested.
Despite the Nepali government's poor human rights
record, since 2001 the U.S. government has provided it
with more than $29 million in security assistance to fight the insurgents.
Amnesty International strongly condemns the human
rights violations committed by those insurgents, but urges the U.S. government
to immediately suspend all security assistance to the Nepalese military until
fundamental human rights protections are restored.
We call on the government of Nepal to immediately
release all prisoners of conscience, to reinstate fundamental freedoms and to
bring to justice security forces who commit abuses.
As if the tsunami disaster in Indonesia weren't
devastating enough, the human rights situation in the province of Aceh
remains grave. The armed forces commit political killings, arbitrary
detention, torture and sexual violence.
The Indonesian government must prosecute and punish
all those who were involved in gross human right violations or who aided or
abetted militia groups.
President Bush, when he meets today with Indonesia's
President Yudhoyono, should urge him to allow human rights investigations into
Aceh and seek assurances that the armed forces stationed there will not
interfere with the delivery of tsunami disaster relief.
In Colombia, women and girls are caught in the
crossfire of that country's decades-long armed conflict. For example, last
July more than 10 soldiers from the 4th Brigade apparently gang-raped two
girls aged 16 and 17. Some of the soldiers reportedly threatened the girls and
their families after they reported the rape to the attorney general.
In October, armed groups allegedly killed four women,
one of whom was pregnant, after accusing the women of having relations with
security force members.
The Colombian government must do more to publicly
condemn such violence, to aggressively investigate its security forces and to
bring perpetrators to justice.
With the U.S. providing $600 million a year in
security assistance to Colombia, the Bush administration must speak out
against violence against women by Colombia's armed actors and withhold its
certification of Colombia's human rights practices until they improve.
The administration must be resolute in pressing for an
end to the killing of civilians by all parties to the
conflict in Israel and the occupied territories.
Palestinian armed groups have
repeatedly and deliberately targeted Israeli civilians in suicide bombings,
shootings and other attacks killing some 1,000 Israelis, including 110
children, in the last four and a half years.
The Israeli army and security services have killed
unarmed Palestinians in repeated, reckless shootings, shellings and air
strikes killing some 3,200 individuals, including more
While Amnesty International commends Israel's planned
withdrawal of Israeli settlers from the Gaza Strip, the
U.S. government should press Israel to evacuate settlers from scores of other
settlements throughout the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
The Darfur region of Sudan remains in crisis, with 1.9
million people forced from their homes. The world stands
idly watching as government-sponsored militias systematically target innocent
civilians for ethnic cleansing.
The state of emergency permits Sudanese authorities to
detain people indefinitely without charge or trial, to break up peaceful
demonstrations and to violate human rights under the
guise of counterinsurgency.
SCHULZ: Rape, kidnapping, attacks on civilians
increased just this past month.
We urge President Bush to make Darfur
a top priority of U.S. foreign policy.
While we welcome the president's decision to send
Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick to Darfur, he would send a far
stronger message by dispatching Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to the
country without delay, a country which, after all, the State Department itself
has said is guilty of genocide.
We also call on the U.S. government and the
international community to provide support to the International Criminal Court
in its investigation into the crimes committed in Darfur and to insist that
all parties to the conflict cooperate with the court.
And not all of our findings are grim. Amnesty
International, which has campaigned with local women's organizations to end
violence against women in Turkey, is pleased that the new Turkish penal code
removes many of the gender discriminatory articles of past penal codes, and
that towns must now establish domestic violence shelters.
More remains to be done. Amnesty calls on Turkish
authorities to create guidelines for those shelters, to fund them and to
conduct domestic violence training for police.
Other positive developments include the growing debate
on political change in the Middle East, the U.S.
Supreme Court ruling that granted detainees in Guantanamo Bay the right to
challenge their detention in courts and which provided a check thereby on the
administration's overreaching, and also a ruling by the British House of Lords
that indefinite detention of foreign nationals suspected of being
international terrorists violated their human rights.
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Today, as we focus on the torture scandal, Amnesty
International USA announces a new grassroots campaign, "Denounce Torture.
Stop It Now," it's called.
Public opinion surveys have shown that Americans
oppose the use of torture. And Amnesty International will work to turn that
opposition into action. We will educate and mobilize
tens of thousands of people around the country to take action to end torture
and ill-treatment and to pressure of the government to hold individuals
accountable at all levels of the chain of command.
Mr. President, last year you said, quote, "Let me
make very clear the position of my government and our country: We do not
condone torture. I have never ordered torture. I will never order torture. The
values of this country are such that torture is not a part of our soul and
President Bush, it is time to
find out whether what you said is true. And if you did not order
torture, then who did? It is time to prove that your words were not an artful
cover-up of illegal actions. It is time to stop
sheltering the apparent architects of torture policy, or else you will be
known not for your promotion of democracy but for your perpetuation of
demagoguery, not for your high-mindedness but for your hypocrisy.
Mr. President, tear down this wall of secrecy and
Now, I thank you ladies and gentlemen. That is our
And I and others here will be happy to take your
We have with us Professor William Aceves, who is a
specialist in international law -- professor at Cal Western Law School -- to
respond to any of your questions of a legal nature. But I'm happy to address
any of the matters that may be of interest to you.
QUESTION: Your report talks about tens of thousands of
deaths in Sudan, talks about tens of thousands of prisoners in China. Your
focus on the United States -- is it because the United States offenses are
worse? Is it because Amnesty International can have more of an impact in the
United States? Is it because the United States should be held to a higher
SCHULZ: The United States is the most powerful country
in the world and it represents itself as being a champion of human rights.
What the United States does or fails to do provides a
model for the rest of the world; it's as simple as that. Whether we like it or
not, that is a fundamental fact.
And therefore, what the United States
does in its own human rights record, particularly if it itself is guilty of
one of the most heinous human rights crimes in the world, the crime of
torture, that has a resounding effect throughout the world.
SCHULZ: Amnesty International never compares countries
or compares violations. We never rank countries. We never say one country is
better or worse than another. That's not the point.
The point is that we here in the United States have a
special responsibility, both because we're Americans and because of the role
that the United States plays in the world, to make sure that our human rights
record is as clean, as exemplary, as possible.
That's why we focused in this way.
QUESTION: Amnesty International has rejected calls by
leading Russian human rights advocates and refused to designate Mikhail
Khodorkovsky as a political prisoner and prisoner of conscience.
Could you explain why this is and whether we can
expect that he will be designated as a political prisoner in the future?
SCHULZ: Let me say this: Amnesty has raised serious
questions about that particular case. We certainly are monitoring that case
We haven't declared him a prisoner of conscience.
Amnesty's standards for doing so are very, very high. You ought not to take
any implication from that beyond the fact that we have not made that
particular designation in this case. But we have certainly raised serious
questions about him.
I'm going to invite Maureen Greenwood, who is our
specialist in this area, to add comments.
GREENWOOD: Amnesty International is concerned that the
case against Mr. Khodorkovsky and his colleagues is politically motivated. We
are concerned about interference in the lawyer-client process. We are
concerned about the closed nature of the procedural issues, about detention
and isolation of some of the suspects, about shortcomings in medical care
provided to the detainees, and also to the alleged ill- treatment of some of
the detainees in detention.
We are very closely monitoring the trial so that it
meets fair trial standards. We are urging medical assistance to those who need
it in detention. And we want all to be free from ill-treatment and torture.
QUESTION: You're calling now on foreign governments to
step in and possibly prosecute the architects of torture that you're calling
out today. The German government had an opportunity to pursue this several
months ago, when lawyers there filed an international claim against Donald
Rumsfeld and others. That case was thrown out.
What do you think are the chances of future cases
actually being successful?
SCHULZ: Let me first clarify that our call is, first,
for the United States to step up to its responsibilities and investigate these
matters first. That's our wish. That is our primary wish.
And if that doesn't happen, then, indeed, we are
calling upon foreign governments to take on their responsibility and to
investigate the apparent architects of torture.
Now it is true that the German court threw out that
case. And we recognize that there are obstacles in the way. I suspect that the
Germans came under considerable pressure from the
But I would make a couple comments and then invite
Professor Aceves, if he would like to add anything, to do so.
Let's keep in mind that there are no
statutes of limitations here. Let's keep in mind that these issues can be
pursued years from now, not just today.
Let's also keep in mind that there is a growing body
of understanding that universal jurisdiction is becoming a more and more
accepted part of our international law regimen.
We have seen cases pursued in Belgium. We've seen the
case pursued against Pinochet. And we believe that, whether or not this is an
immediate reality or not, it certainly is something that needs to be taken
seriously and will be taken more and more seriously in the future.
ACEVES: I would add to that that the German decision
not to proceed with that investigation was due, in part, on the expectation
that the U.S. government would conduct proper investigations. So if, in fact,
that is not the case, then we may have the opportunity for the German
prosecutors to revisit the matter.
ACEVES: And as Dr. Schulz noted that many of these
investigations require information that has yet to come forward. And perhaps
in a few months or additional years you may have additional information coming
to light which provides greater levels of evidence with respect to the
possible culpability of U.S. military or political leaders.
QUESTION: As the world's major religions attempt to
win the hearts and the minds of the world, what abuses and human rights
violations are being done in the name of God or religion and what is being
opposed in the name of God and religion?
I would particularly be interested in
how you would make any comparisons with the two major religions of the world,
Christianity and Islam.
Of course, the world does know the United States
claims to be a nation that is under God and it is in God that we trust. But I
know Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine are nations that recently named Islam
officially in their constitutional proceedings.
SCHULZ: Well, I am certainly not going to lodge blame
for any of these violations on God, Allah, Jehovah or
anyone else. That's not my job and that's certainly not Amnesty
And Amnesty International, just as we do not rank
countries, certainly do not rank religions or deities in terms of their
responsibility or lack thereof for human rights violations.
Now, the fact is that we know that human rights
violations are committed in countries that are predominantly Christian,
predominantly Muslin, predominantly Jewish and no doubt countries that are
predominantly Buddhist, Confucian and anything else.
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As far as Amnesty International is concerned, the
issue is, "What is the violation?" We don't make speculation as to
the cause of that violation in religious terms.
Certainly as a clergy person
myself, I'm well aware that one can cite passages from any number of so-called
holy books to justify virtually anything. And once we get into proof-texting
of that nature we will never end, and this conference will go well beyond 11
o'clock, so we will avoid that.
QUESTION: I'm wondering if you communicated the
contents of this report to the State Department and gotten a reaction or if
you've had a reaction from any foreign government yet.
SCHULZ: We have not at the moment. This is the first
release of this report and release of this statement.
I suspect that we will be
hearing from the State Department one way or the other. We certainly
have informed our counterparts in other Amnesty sections around the world of
the nature of our statement.
QUESTION: Are all the other Amnesties around the world
having a focus on the United States or is it simply Amnesty USA that's
highlighting this aspect?
SCHULZ: I suspect that other Amnesty sections around
the world will, indeed, address U.S. issues simply because they are so
important and so pervasive. Whether or not each section is focusing explicitly
on the United States I simply don't know.
The reality is, though, that all Amnesty sections
affirm the importance of universal jurisdiction and so I suspect there is no
section around the world that would disagree with our fundamental call and
QUESTION: When it comes to the situation in the Sudan,
how do you evaluate the fact that the United States government named genocide
taking place there, yet doesn't seem to be acting in a way that shows that
that's what they really are believing?
QUESTION: And I'm curious how you see the rest of the
world responding to genocide. Does Amnesty International believe it is
genocide going on there?
SCHULZ: Well, let me say that your fundamental
question, I think, is a very, very good one. And Amnesty International, while
it has not declared genocide to be taking place, has certainly declared that
crimes against humanity, war crimes and all manner of other crimes are taking
Amnesty International's position is consistent with
the position of the U.N. commission of inquiry, which also did not call it
genocide per se, largely because of the issue of whether or not intent could
But the issue of whether it is genocide or not is not
nearly as important as the issue of what we do about it. And your point, which
is an important point, that the United States has called
it genocide and yet has not appeared to allow that issue -- to promote that
issue to a high enough level of importance in our own foreign policy to
warrant even a significant public comment by the secretary of state in her
public comments at her hearing of confirmation before the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, indeed, represents a quandary and represents a puzzle.
Why is that? I suspect it is because the United States
does not ultimately take whatever happens in Sudan as seriously as it takes
places that it would see as more germane to our national interest. But that is
And as someone who was in Sudan, in Darfur himself
just a few months ago, I can say that growing instability in that part of the
world is certainly something that will eventually redound against the United
States national interest in any number of ways.
And that's why Amnesty International calls upon the
United States to be far more serious about this issue. Certainly, we are
grateful for the conversations currently under way in NATO about the
possibility of NATO support of the African Union troops. We believe that there
does need to be, indeed, far more support provided to the African Union troops
to stop the slaughter that continues to go on.
And we commend the United States for abstaining on the
referral by the U.N. Security Council of those names recommended by the U.N.
commission of inquiry to be referred to the International Criminal Court for
possible prosecution. We believe that those prosecutions should go forward,
and, indeed, that the United States should do everything it can to be
supportive of that particular process, if, indeed, it believes that this is a
serious crime, which, of course, it is.
QUESTION: Can you elaborate a bit to the point of what
point the United States crossed the threshold that elevated the country to the
prominence that you're giving it? Was it a single event, a collection of
certain events, or was it the totality of all the events over the past year?
SCHULZ: I'm not prepared to point to a particular
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Talmudic Law or kill them all
I think that what we know is that this administration
has sought to undermine the fragile scaffolding of support for human rights at
the international level at one point after another, and that the torture memos
and the policy of torture that we've described flows from a fundamental lack
of appreciation or respect for international human rights regimens and
international human rights laws.
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wonderfully.......insurgents...opposed to global slavery, and these people can
do nothing against the beast, for on October 13, 2004 the Sanhedrin of Hell
was "Revived" and that Dragon loosed upon the earth. You have seen
nuthin yet, stck around.
The attempts to undermine the International Criminal
Court, for example, are simply one more example of a failure to appreciate
what had previously been a bipartisan support for
international law and for the scaffolding of support that undergirds all of
Whether Democrats or Republicans supported the
International Criminal Court itself, they certainly did not want to weaken
international human rights institutions per se. And that
is something that this administration has done, and the decisions about
torture, I think, flow very directly out of that.
QUESTION: What is Amnesty's reaction to the recent
religious freedom agreement signed between the United States and the
QUESTION: And broader question: When you look at
Southeast Asia do you see a general negative trend in terms of human rights
there? Or how would you characterize the situation in Asia?
SCHULZ: Well, let me ask Mr. Kumar, our Asia
specialist, to comment on that.
KUMAR: Thank you, Bill.
Generally, the trend is mixed. In Indonesia and Aceh
province, we have seen increase of human rights abuses even after tsunami. The
military there continues to persecute Acehnese there.
In terms of Vietnamese issue, I will say, it's a
welcoming step. But we want implementation, and also we want political
prisoners to be released in Vietnam.
As you're aware, the Vietnamese prime minister is
going to be here next month. We want President Bush to take this as a special
issue when he goes signing business deals with him.
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they request that he continues Noahide enforcement....can you read between the
QUESTION: What can Amnesty International do, or what
is there -- have they taken any action about Charles Taylor in Nigeria?
From what I heard from the ambassador from Nigeria,
they had no plans on turning Charles Taylor over to the Sierra Leone court.
SCHULZ: Amnesty International has long called for the
extradition of Charles Taylor. We believe that Charles Taylor should be
brought before the court in Sierra Leone. He has been indicted by that court,
and he should stand before that court and face the charges against him.
And Amnesty has encouraged the United States
government to do what it can to put pressure on the Nigerian government to,
indeed, live up to its international obligations.
So, as someone who was once under threat of
assassination by Mr. Taylor, I, personally, would be more than happy to see
him face justice before the court. And that is Amnesty's position.
QUESTION: The U.N. is talking about reforming its
human rights entire approach in the new panel. I'm wondering if you have a
position on that. Do you think it will make a difference?
SCHULZ: Yes. Amnesty International certainly welcomes
many of the proposals by the secretary general for the reform of the United
Amnesty, over the years, has recognized the
fallibility of that institution. We have ourselves often been critical of the
U.N. Human Rights Commission for failing to live up to what we regarded as its
full obligations. We've issued reports in the past on some of the human rights
violations committed by United Nations peacekeeping troops.
And so we welcome reform efforts at the United
I should say that we support those efforts within the
context of support for the United Nations itself, however.
And therefore, in the case of Mr. Bolton's nomination,
while Amnesty takes no position one way or the other on that nomination, we
have raised very serious questions that we want to see put to Mr. Bolton and
considered by those who will vote on his nomination, because we believe that
Mr. Bolton has displayed exactly the kind of lack of fundamental support for
international institutions that I referred to earlier here.
And that if one is to reform the United Nations, one
has to affirm it in the first place. And that, indeed, is something that this
administration, I think, has largely failed to do.
But as to reform itself, Amnesty welcomes many of
QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) changing the membership?
SCHULZ: I don't know whether Amnesty has taken a
specific stand on the particular proposals about the constitution of the Human
Do you know?
I guess we have no position on that specific proposal.
But in general, we certainly believe that the U.N. Human Rights Commission
needs to be strengthened, that it has often had its hands tied in terms of its
willingness to address fundamental issues of human rights. And that needs to
QUESTION: With the reactions around the world to the
allegations about the desecration of the Koran, does Amnesty International
take a position regarding the use or abuse of symbols or books that would be
SCHULZ: Absolutely. Amnesty International opposes any
wanton destruction of that nature. No holy book, no book that is of importance
to a large group of people, should ever be treated disdainfully or with lack
And I will say, without commenting on the specific
allegations reported in Newsweek, Amnesty International itself has, in the
past, reported on allegations, reported on, in fact, findings -- research
findings of a lack of respect being displayed towards the holy Koran at
So while I can't comment on the specific instance that
Newsweek was reporting on, that action was certainly consistent with actions
that we have documented in the past.
QUESTION: Is it your position that the condoning of
torture that you allege here is an entirely new position for the United States
government? Or is this more that the recent years have brought about a quantum
leap in, as you say, the purveying and practicing of torture?
Unfortunately, the use of
torture by U.S. officials is certainly not new.
SCHULZ: I was reading Joseph Ellis's new biography of
George Washington. And Washington himself engaged in human rights violations
with his own troops, or what today we would consider human rights violations.
And I'm sorry if I attack the father of our country in that respect, but it
happens to be true.
United States troops have used torture. Certainly that
was in use in the war in the Philippines in the turn of the 20th century. We
know that torture was used in Central America during the
Reagan era. Torture has, of course, been used by the United States before.
What is different here is that
an explicit rationale for the support of torture was articulated by high
administration officials. And the specific
authorization by the secretary of defense, among others, of the use of specific
torture techniques, that, I believe, is unprecedented or at least, certainly,
it has never been revealed before to the public.
And that, I think, lifts this particular case to an
entirely new level. It is one thing to have individuals practicing torture or
committing human rights violations without any kind of rationale or support,
much less command, from those who are their superiors. That is one
thing that happens in virtually every country, I suspect, or has happened.
It is quite another thing for the
highest officials in the land to authorize, rationalize and, indeed,
potentially -- and this is what needs to be investigated -- potentially plot
or conspire to allow this to happen, and, indeed, to therefore reasons why
those who undertake it ought not to be subjected both to international and the
U.S.'s own laws. That's a very different situation. That's the essence of the
QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) in terms of addressing civil
rights issues especially as it relates to their indigenous populations?
SCHULZ: Let me ask Eric Olson, our Amnesty director
for the Americas, to give a brief summary of the situation in Latin America.
OLSON: You were asking specifically about indigenous
OLSON: There have been some specific cases where there
has been advance in guaranteeing the rights of indigenous people; I think
mostly in particular in Brazil, where President Lula recognized the rights of
indigenous people in certain areas to their traditional lands.
Unfortunately, that's more the exception than the rule
in Latin America. The rights of indigenous people -- and not just indigenous
people but the rights of Afro-Latino people -- are constantly under assault by
governments, by militaries, by illegal armed groups.
And so that's the pervasive reality. Their rights to
their cultures, their traditional lands, their own political organizations,
unfortunately, are under assault in almost every country in Latin America.
QUESTION: On China, what are Amnesty's, sort of,
policy recommendations in terms of how the U.S. should now approach China,
given that there doesn't seem to be any, you know, substantive improvements in
the human rights situation there over the last, you know, however many years,
SCHULZ: First of all, let me say that your premise is
indeed correct. There have not been significant improvements in China's human
rights record despite much of the rhetoric that we hear often from the
business community in this respect.
It is certainly true that at the very lowest levels
there has been the introduction of a modest degree of democracy, in terms of
multi-candidate elections. But beyond that, Amnesty continues to document very
serious violations: as many as 3,400 executions, for example, more than all of
the executions in the rest of the world.
Amnesty believes that the United States needs to
continue to keep human rights at the forefront of its policies with China;
that they ought not to be subsumed to other important issues. Certainly they
ought not to be subsumed to economic issues. And even issues having to do with
control of nuclear weapons in North Korea ought not to completely push off the
table the importance of human rights violations.
SCHULZ: Now, of course there are limited ways in which
the United States can impact China, and Amnesty International itself takes no
position on issues such as economic sanctions.
But that this issue ought to be at the core of United
States dialogue with China ought to go without saying. Because in the long
run, if it isn't, the consequences for the United States and its own interests
will be profound, as China becomes a growing military power and as its
economic might spreads throughout the world.
QUESTION: There's been this talk of Arab spring of
political reform popping up in a number of countries. The election in Iraq;
you know it all.
How real do you think that is? And how much do you
think you can attribute that to the military campaign in Iraq?
SCHULZ: Well, first of all, it would be difficult for
me to project or predict how real it is. My prediction on projections are
comparable to Calvin Coolidge's remark that when people are out of work
unemployment results. So I am not going to project whether in the long run
this is going to hold or not.
Certainly I will say that Amnesty International
welcomes all of those efforts which are genuine in the Middle East, or
anywhere else, to bring a greater degree of democratization to countries.
Now, clearly, in a place like Egypt, which has at
least ostensibly introduced multi-party elections, Amnesty has serious
questions about whether or not those who would wish to contest such an
election will, in fact, have the opportunity to do so. And so there may be in
some of these cases a good deal of smoke and mirrors going on.
It's also the case that other countries, like Saudi
Arabia, remain mired in a very authoritarian system without much hint of new
forms of democratization at all.
As to the extent to which the Iraq war was
responsible, is responsible for these issues, I think again it is far too
early to tell whether the full ramifications of the Iraq war in that respect
will ultimately be positive or negative.
Obviously, the Iraqi government is having profound
problems at the moment simply organizing itself, profound problems in finding
ways to include the Sunnis in the government itself. And whether or not Iraq
remains stable, I couldn't possibly tell you.
What we do know, of course, is that there are very
serious human rights violations being committed by insurgents, and perhaps
others in Iraq, and these are of profound concern to Amnesty International.
QUESTION: Since the war on terror began, has Amnesty
International made any changes in policy justifying what may be done in
attempting to prevent an act of terror?
And this past year, have governments increased or
decreased using the war on terror as a rationale to violate human rights?
SCHULZ: Well, if by the first part of your question
you mean, "Does Amnesty believe that violations of human rights in the
interests of national security ought to be permitted?" clearly the answer
to that is no. Amnesty believes that protection of human rights is one of the
best ways to protect our security.
And though Amnesty has clearly condemned all terrorist
acts, acts committed for political or religious purposes aimed at civilians
are clearly in and of themselves human rights violations. Amnesty believes
that there ought to be an international treaty that clearly defines terrorism.
Amnesty believes the international community has a responsibility to oppose
SCHULZ: But the way that that is done is very, very
important. And the way that it has been done, trampling on civil rights, civil
liberties and human rights around the world, we believe has created an
atmosphere that leads to far greater danger than to safety.
Certainly whether or not the number of violations
committed in the name of security are increasing or not is not something, in
and of itself, that Amnesty tracks.
But we know very well -- take the case of Zimbabwe,
for example, we know very well that many governments are utilizing the excuse
of national security to crack down on people who are nonviolent and who are
engaged in pursuing their democratic rights.
And certainly Zimbabwe is a good example of that.
There are many other examples in Middle East and in Asia where countries are
using these -- or governments are using these as a convenient excuse to oppose
or repress their political opponents.
And certainly when those political opponents are not
utilizing violence in any way, shape or form, that is something that Amnesty
profoundly opposes and in many cases will declare those people who are subject
to that kind of repression, prisoners of conscience or political prisoners.
Fine. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
Related Press Report
Amnesty International Wants U.S.
Officials Arrested and Investigated
By Bob Dart
05/26/05 Cox news - WASHINGTON - Amnesty International USA urged foreign
governments Wednesday to use international law to investigate Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and other alleged
American "architects of torture" at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and
other prisons where detainees suspected of ties to terrorist groups have been
"If those investigations
support prosecution, the governments should arrest any official who enters
their territory and begin legal proceedings against them," said William
Shulz, executive director of the U.S. branch of the international human rights
In its annual report on "The State of the World's Human Rights,"
Amnesty International said the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba,
"has become the gulag of our times" and accused U.S. officials of
flaunting international law in their treatment of detainees.
There is no statute of limitations on crimes such as torture, Shulz said.
So for years to come, the director warned, "the apparent high-level
architects of torture should think twice before planning their next vacation
to places like Acapulco or the French Riviera because they may find themselves
under arrest as Augusto Pinochet famously did in London in 1998."
Gen. Pinochet, a former dictator of Chile, was arrested on an international
warrant issued by a Spanish judge while Pinochet was in England receiving
Charged with torturing Spanish citizens in Chile, he was held under house
arrest in England for more than a year but eventually returned to his homeland
and escaped an international trial.
If the United States "continues to shirk its responsibility" of
investigating allegations of abuse to the top of the chain of command, Shulz
said, foreign governments should uphold their obligations under international
law by investigating all senior U.S. officials involved.
Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary, called the charges
"unsupported by the facts."
The well-publicized abuses of detainees have been a "stain on the image
of the United States abroad," he conceded, but the exposures only
reinforced the administration's commitment to human rights.
"We hold people accountable when there is abuse," he said.
Amnesty International's demand for international action came as a private
activist group that spans the ideological spectrum called for President Bush
and Congress to appoint an independent, bipartisan panel, modeled after the
Sept. 11 commission, to investigate the "various allegations of abuse of
The group calling for appointment of such a commission ranged from former Rep.
Bob Barr, R-Ga., American Conservative Union Chairman David Keene and former
Rep. Mickey Edwards, R-Okla., on the right to Thomas Pickering, the former
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, and Morton Halperin of the Center for
American Progress on the left.
Pickering said his conversations during recent international travels confirmed
the damage that prisoner abuse charges have done to the nation, disheartening
our allies and giving ammunition to our enemies.
But others on the panel said they were not as concerned about foreign reaction
as with domestic values.
"We should be opposed to this (torture) because of who we are -- not what
they think," said Keene.
In issuing the Amnesty International report, Shulz specifically named those he
regarded as potential "high-level torture architects."
In addition to Rumsfeld and Gonzales, they included former CIA Director George
Tenet; Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the former commander of U.S. forces in Iraq;
Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, commander of the Joint Task Force Guantanamo; and
Douglas Feith, the under secretary of defense for policy.
Shulz said the Geneva Conventions and the Convention Against Torture and Other
Cruel, Inhumane or Degrading Treatment legally bind the countries that have
signed them to exercise "universal jurisdiction" on people suspected
Certain crimes, including torture, amount to offenses against all of humanity
so all countries have a responsibility to investigate and prosecute people
responsible for such crimes, he said.
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Calls Human Rights Report 'Absurd'
May 31, 11:21 AM (ET)
By TERENCE HUNT
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush called a human rights report
"absurd" for criticizing the United States' detention of terrorist
suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and said Tuesday the allegations were made
by "people who hate America."
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"It's absurd. It's an absurd allegation. The United States is a
country that promotes freedom around the world,"
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Bush said of the Amnesty International report that compared Guantanamo to a
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In a Rose Garden news conference, Bush defiantly
stood by his domestic policy agenda while defending his actions abroad. With
the death toll climbing daily in Iraq, he said that nation's fledging
government is "plenty capable" of defeating terrorists whose attacks
on Iraqi civilians and U.S. soldiers have intensified.
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Bush spoke after separate air crashes killed four American and four Italian
troops in Iraq. The governor of Anbar province, taken hostage three weeks ago,
was killed during clashes between U.S. forces and the insurgents who abducted
Bush said the job of the U.S. forces there is to help train Iraqis to
Ilegal Occupation of a sovereign nation by deception
"I think the Iraqi people dealt the insurgents a serious blow when we
had the elections," Bush said. "In other words, what the insurgents
fear is democracy because democracy is the opposition of their vision."
Noahide Demonicrazy, insurgents
On another foreign policy issue, Bush said he expressed concerns with
Russian President Vladimir Putin about legal proceedings against former oil
tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky.
a Talmudic Jew
Once the richest man in Russia, Khodorkovsky was convicted Tuesday of fraud
and tax evasion and sentenced to nine years in prison following a trail widely
denounced as politically motivated.
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Bush did not comment directly on the verdict, but said, "it looked
like he had been judged guilty prior to having a fair trial."
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The president said he has questioned whether the case shows a backsliding
away from the rule of law and democracy in Russia and said it will "be
interesting to see" how Khodorkovsky's expected appeal is handled by the
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and it appeared to us, at least people in my administration, that it looked
like he had been ajudged guilty prior to having a fair trial," Bush said.
"We're watching the ongoing case."
He said it was a "reasonable decision" to allow Iran to apply for
WTO membership as a way to advance diplomatic discussions with Europe on
Iran's nuclear program. In another hot spot, he urged further diplomacy to
curb North Korea's nuclear ambitions.
Bush opened the news conference by urging Congress to pass his stalled
energy legislation, restrain the growth of government spending, approve the
Central American Free Trade Agreement and overhaul Social Security with a
partial privatization plan.
He declared that the economy is strong, with 3.5 million jobs in two years
and an unemployment rate of 5.2 percent.
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"Obviously, these are hopeful signs, but Congress can make sure the
signs remain hopeful," he said in a five-minute opening statement in the
I never promised you a Rose Garden
After a bruising week on Capitol Hill, Bush urged both political parties to
"set aside partisan differences" and work together.
Though he did not mention tax cuts in his opening argument, Bush said he
still wants Congress to make his first-term cuts permanent. He also pledged
not to give up on Social Security reform, despite intense opposition on
Capitol Hill. "The easy path is to say, 'Oh, we don't have a problem.
Let's ignore it -- yet again."
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Introduction: What is the
|Sanhedrin comes from the Greek term sunedrion
(literally, "sitting together") meaning council.
The Sanhedrin is both a Jewish judicial and administrative body.
The Sanhedrin was composed of local elites--including members of the
high-priestly family, scribes (religious experts), and lay elders.
It probably operated under some sort of Roman oversight, at least with
respect to its taxing, law enforcement, and other administrative
According to gospel accounts, Jesus was
brought before the Jerusalem Sanhedrin, presided over by high priest
Around 200 C.E., Sanhedrin becomes a
technical term for a rabbinic court. A tractate in the Mishnah
prescribes procedures the Sanhedrin is to use. The excerpts
below, taken from the Mishnah Tractate, may shed light on the
procedures used in the case of Jesus. One caution, however: the
Mishnah was not compiled until 200, and it is therefore possible that
some of the procedures and restrictions described in the Mishnah
Tractate were not in force in the time of Jesus.
The gospel of John indicates that the
Sanhedrin turned Jesus over to Pilate because it lacked the power to
impose death: "Pilate said to them, 'Take him yourselves and
judge him according to your law.' The Jews replied, 'We are not
permitted to put anyone to death.'" The Mishnah, however,
clearly shows that the Sanhedrin did have the power to impose death
for certain crimes--at least sometime before 200 C.E. In
particular, Mishnah Sanhedrin 6.1 to 6.4 specify the procedures for
stoning. There is no evidence to suggest that the power did not
exist in 30 C.E. On the contrary, there is evidence that the
Romans preferred to leave as much power as possible to control
religious crimes in the hands of Jewish authorities.
Mark and Matthew indicate that the trial
before the Sanhedrin occurred at night and a capital trial at night
was illegal. Mishnah Sanhedrin 4.1 confirms the illegality of a
capital trial at night, assuming that the law stated in the Mishnah
existed in 30 C.E.
Mark indicates that the charge against Jesus
was blasphemy: "You have heard the blasphemy (Mark 14:64)."
Under Mishnah Tractate 7.5, blasphemy consists only of uttering the
name of God, so there is reason to question whether in fact that was
the charge against Jesus. If it is assumed to be the charge,
however, Mishhah Tractate 7.4 makes clear that execution by stoning
was an available option for such a crime.
Information for this page is drawn
largely from The Trial of Jesus by Alan Watson (1995).
|Verdicts in Capital Trials Only to be Reached in
[Under the Mishnah Tractate, Sanhedrin]
Mishnah Sanhedrin 4.1
In noncapital cases they hold trial during the daytime and the verdict
may be reached during the night; in capital cases they hold the trial
during the daytime and the verdict must also be reached during the
daytime. In noncapital cases the verdict, whether of acquittal
or of conviction, may be reached the same day; in capital cases a
verdict of acquittal may be reached on the same day, but a verdict of
conviction not until the following day.
|Requirements for Conviction
Mishnah Sanhedrin 5.1-4
5.1 They used to prove witnesses with seven inquiries: In
what week of years? In what year? In what month? On
what day? In what hour? In what place? (R. Jose
says: [They aked only,] On what day? In what hour? In what
place?) [They also asked:] Do you recognize him? Did you warn him?
If a man committed idolatry [they asked the witnesses], What did he
worship? and, How did he worship it?
2. The more a judge tests the evidence the more he is
deserving of praise: Ben Zakkai once tested the evidence even to
inquiring about the stalks of figs. Wherein do the inquiries
differ from the cross-examination? If to the inquiries one [of
the two witnesses] answered, "I do not know," their evidence
becomes invalid; but if to the cross-examination one answered,
"We do not know," their evidence remains valid. Yet if
they contradict one another, whether during the inquiries or the
cross-examination, their evidence becomes invalid.
3. If one said, "On the second of the month,"
and the other said, "On the third," their evidence remains
valid since one may have known the month was intercalated and the
other did not know the month was intercalated; but if one said,
"On the third," and the other said, "On the
fifth," their evidence becomes invalid. If one said,
"At the second hour," and the other said, "At the
third," their evidence remains valid; but if one said, "At
the third hour," and the other said, "At the fifth,"
their evidence becomes invalid. R. Judah says: It remains valid;
but if one said, "At the fifth hour," and the other said,
"At the seventh," their evidence becomes invalid since at
the fifth hour the sun in in the east and at the seventh it is in the
4. They afterward brought in the second witness and
proved him. If their words were found to agree together they
begin [to examine the evidence] in favor of acquittal. If one
witness said, "I have somewhat to argue in favor of his
acquittal," or if one of the disciples said, "I have
somewhat to argue in favor of his acquittal," they bring him up
and set him among them and he does not come down from thence the whole
day. If there is any substance in his words they listen to him.
Even if the accused said, "I have somewhat to argue in favor of
my acquittal," they listen to him, provided there is any
substance to his words.
|Postponement of Final Sentence Until the Day After
Trial Under the Mishnah
Mishnah Sanhedrin 5.5
If they found him innocent they set him free; otherwise they leave his
sentence over until the morrow. [In the meantime] they went
together in pairs, they ate a little (but they used to drink no wine
the whole day), and they discussed the matter all night, and early on
the morrow they came to the court. He that favored acquittal
says: "I declared him innocent and I still declare him
innocent"; and he that favored conviction says, "I declared
him guilty and I still declare him guilty." He that favored
conviction may now acquit, but he that had favored acquittal [the day
before] may not retract and favor conviction."
|Capital Punishment To Be By Stoning
Mishnah Sanhedrin 6.1-4
1. When sentence has been passed, they take him forth to stone
him. The place of stoning was outside the court, as it is
written, Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp. One
stands at the door of the court with a towel in his hand, and another,
mounted on a horse, far away from him [but where he is able] to see
him. If one [in court] said, "I have somewhat to argue in
favor of his acquittal," that man waves the towel and the horse
runs and stops him [the stoner]. Even if he himself said,
"I have somewhat to argue in favor of my acquittal," they
must bring him back, be it four times or five, provided that there is
any substance in his words. If they found him innocent, they set
him free; otherwise he goes forth to be stoned. A herald goes
out before him [announcing], "Such-a-one, the son of such-a-one,
is going forth to be stoned for that he committed such or such an
offense. Such-a-one and such-a-one are witnesses against him.
If any man knoweth anything in favor of his acquittal, come let him
2. When he was about ten cubits from the place of stoning
they used to say to him, "Make your confession," for such is
the way of them that have been condemned to death to make confession,
for every one that makes his confession has a share in the world to
come. For so we have found it with Achan. Joshua said to
him, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the Lord, the God of
Israel, and make confession unto him, and tell me now what you have
done; hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua and said,
Of a truth I have sinned against the Lord, the God of Israel, and thus
and thus have I done. Whence do we learn that his confession
made atonement for him? It is written, And Joshua said, Why
have you troubled us? The Lord shall trouble thee this day--this
day you shall be troubled, but in the world to come you shall not
be troubled. If he knows not how to make his confession they say
to him, "Say, May my death be an atonement for all my sins."
R. Judah says: If he knew that he was condemned because of false
testimony he should say, "Let my death be an atonement for all my
sins excepting this sin." They said to him: If so, every
one would speak after this fashion to show his innocense."
3. When he was four cubits from the place of stoning,
they stripped off his clothes. A man is kept covered in front
and a woman both in front and behind. So R. Judah. But the
Sages say: a man is stoned naked but a woman is not stoned naked.
4. The place of stoning was twice the height of a man.
One of the witnesses knocked him down on his loins; if he turned over
on his heart the witness turned him over again on his loins. If
he straightaway died that sufficed; but if not, the second took the
the stone and dropped it on his heart. If he straightaway died,
that sufficed; but if not, he was stoned by all Israel, for it is
written, The hand of the witnesses shall be firt upon him to put
him to death and afterward all the hand of all the people.
All that have been stoned must be hanged. So R. Eliezer.
But the Sages say: None is hanged save the blasphemer and the
idolater. A man is hanged with his face to the people and a
woman with her face to the gallows. So R. Eliezer. But the
Sages say: A man is hanged but a woman is not hanged. R. Eliezer said
to them: Did not Simeon ben Shetah hang women in Ashkelon? They
answered: He hanged eighty women, whereas two ought not to be judged
in one day. How did they hang a man? They put a beam into
the ground and a piece of wood juttted from it. The two hand
were brought together and it was hanged. R. Jose days: The
beam was made to lean against a wall and one hanged the corpse thereon
as butchers do. And they let it down at once: if it remained
there overnight a negative command is thereby transgressed, for it is
is written, His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but
thou shall surely bury him the same day; for he that is hanged is a
curse against God; as if to say, Why was this one hanged?
Because he blessed the Name, and the Name of Heaven was found
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These are they that are to be stoned: he that has connexion with his
mother, his father's wife, his daughter-in-law, a male, or a beast,
and the woman that suffers connexion with a beast, and the blasphemer
and the idolator, and he that offers any of his seed to Molech, and he
that has a familiar spirit and a soothsayer, and he that profanes the
Sabbath, and he tht curses his father or his mother, and he that has a
connexion with a girl that is betrothed, and he that beguiles [others
to commit idolatry], and he that leads [a whole town] astray, and the
sorcerer and a stubborn and rebellious son.
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Gen.37:26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our
brother, and conceal his blood?
27 Come, and let us sell
him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our
brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content.
28 Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up
Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the
Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into
Ge 38:2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite,
whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and
went in unto her.
Ge 38:6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.
Ge 38:7 And Er, JudahĎs
firstborn, was wicked in the sight of
the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
Ge 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to
be an harlot; because she had "covered her face".
Ge 38:24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah,
saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold,
she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said,
Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.
Ge 44:16 And Judah said, What shall we say unto my lord? what shall we speak?
or how shall we clear ourselves? God hath
found out the iniquity of thy servants: behold, we are my lordís
servants, both we, and he also with whom the
cup is found.
Ge 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren
shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy
fatherís children shall bow down before thee.
Ge 49:9 Judah is a lionís whelp: "from
the prey", my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched
as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
Ge 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between
his feet, until Shiloh
come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
De 33:7 And this is the blessing of
Judah: and he said, Hear, LORD, the
voice of Judah, and bring him unto his people: let his hands be
sufficient for him; and be thou an help to him from his enemies.
Jos 15:13 And unto Caleb the son of Jephunneh he gave a part among the
children of Judah, according to the commandment of the LORD to Joshua, even
the city of Arba the father of Anak, which city is Hebron.
Jos 15:63 As for the Jebusites the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the
children of Judah could not drive them out: but
the Jebusites dwell with the children of Judah at Jerusalem unto this day.
Jos 18:14 And the border was drawn thence, and compassed the corner of the sea
southward, from the hill that lieth before Bethhoron southward; and
the goings out thereof were at Kirjathbaal,
which is Kirjathjearim, a city of the children
of Judah: this was the west quarter.
Jos 19:9 Out of the portion of the children of
Judah was the inheritance of the children of Simeon: for the part of the
children of Judah was too much for them: therefore the children of
Simeon had their inheritance within the inheritance of them.
Jos 20:7 And they appointed Kedesh in Galilee in mount Naphtali, and Shechem
in mount Ephraim, and Kirjatharba, which is
Hebron, in the mountain of Judah.
Jud 1:16 And the children of the Kenite, Mosesí father in law, went
up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the
wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and
they went and dwelt among the people.
Jud 1:18 Also Judah
took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast
thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.
(see modern palestine!)
Jud 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the
mountain; but could not drive out the
inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Jud 20:18 And the children of Israel arose, and went up to the house of God,
and asked counsel of God, and said, Which of us shall go up first to the
battle against the children of Benjamin? And
the LORD said, Judah shall go up first.
1Sa 23:3 And Davidís men said unto him, Behold,
we be afraid here in Judah: how much more then if we come to Keilah
against the armies of the Philistines?
2Sa 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children
of Judah the use of the bow:
behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)
2Sa 3:10 To translate the kingdom from
the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over
Israel and over Judah, from
Dan even to Beersheba.
2Sa 19:11 And king David sent to Zadok and to Abiathar the priests, saying,
Speak unto the elders of Judah, saying, Why
are ye the last to bring the king back to his house? seeing the speech
of all Israel is come to the king, even to his house.
2Sa 19:43 And the men of Israel answered the
men of Judah, and said, We have ten parts in the king, and we have also
more right in David than ye: why
then did ye despise us, that our advice should not be first had in
bringing back our king? And the words
of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel.
Israel and Judah are two different peoples
1Ki 14:22 And Judah
did evil in the sight of the LORD, and they provoked him to
jealousy with their sins which they had committed, above
all that their fathers had done.
2Ki 17:13 Yet the LORD testified against
Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers,
saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes,
according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to
you by my servants the prophets.
whom Judah jewry slew
2Ki 19:30 And the remnant that is escaped of
the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit
2Ki 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold,
I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of
it, both his ears shall tingle.
2Ki 22:13 Go ye, enquire of the LORD for me, and for the people, and for all
Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found:
for great is the wrath of the LORD that is kindled
against us, because our fathers have not
hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is
written concerning us.
2Ki 23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom
the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the
cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also
that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the
planets, and to all the host of heaven.
2Ki 23:27 And the LORD said, I will remove
Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and will cast off this
city Jerusalem which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, My name
shall be there.
1Ch 5:2 For Judah prevailed above his
brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but
the birthright was Josephís:)
2Ch 21:11 Moreover he made high places in the mountains of Judah,
and caused the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit fornication, and
compelled Judah thereto.
2Ch 21:13 But hast walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and
hast made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to go a
whoring, like to the whoredoms of the house of Ahab,
and also hast slain thy brethren of thy fatherís house, which were better
2Ch 28:25 And in every
several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other
gods, and provoked to anger the LORD God of his fathers.
Ne 11:36 And of the Levites were divisions in
Judah, and in Benjamin.
Ps 78:68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the
mount Zion which he loved.
(major discrepency about this verse by scholars. its
Isa 3:1 For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth
take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay
of bread, and the whole stay of water,
Isa 3:8 For Jerusalem is ruined, and
Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the
LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory.
Isa 8:8 And he shall pass through Judah; he
shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the
stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O
Isa 19:17 And the land of Judah shall be a
terror unto Egypt, every one that maketh mention thereof shall be afraid in
himself, because of the counsel of the LORD of hosts, which he hath
determined against it.
Isa 26:1 In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah; We
have a strong city; salvation will God appoint
for walls and bulwarks.
(but they choose walls of rock and division)
Isa 37:31 And the remnant that is escaped of
the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit
Isa 40:9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high
mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good
tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid;
say unto the cities of Judah, Behold
("Jerusalem" that bringeth good tidings. Thats
JESUS CHRIST THE "NEW" JERUSALEM whom came 2000 years ago whom we
are to claim to the cities of Judah..."BEHOLD YOUR GOD"!)
Isa 48:1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of
Israel, and are
come forth out of the waters
of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD,
and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.
(See flood of waters out of the dragons mouth in
Jer 1:15 For, lo, I will call all the families of the kingdoms of the north,
saith the LORD; and they shall come, and they shall set every one his throne
at the entering of the gates of Jerusalem, and
against all the walls thereof round about, and against all the cities of Judah.
Jer 1:18 For, behold, I have made thee this day a defenced city, and an iron
pillar, and brasen walls against the whole land, against
the kings of Judah, against the princes thereof, against the priests thereof,
and against the people of the land.
Jer 2:28 But where are thy gods that thou hast made
thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble:
for according to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah.
Jer 3:7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But
she returned not. And her treacherous sister
Judah saw it.
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel
committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet
her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and
played the harlot also.
Jer 3:10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned
unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly,
saith the LORD.
Jer 3:11 And the LORD said unto me, The
backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.
Jer 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away
the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah
and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that
none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Jer 4:16 Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish
against Jerusalem, that watchers come from a
far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.
Jer 5:11 For the house of Israel and the house
of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the LORD.
Jer 7:30 For the children of Judah have done
evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set
their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
Jer 9:11 And I will make
Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah
desolate, without an inhabitant.
(JERUSALEM IS A "DEN OF DRAGONS"........NOW!)
Jer 10:22 Behold, the noise of the bruit is come, and a great commotion out of
the north country, to make the cities of Judah
desolate, and a den of dragons.
(THE "SAYERS" ARE "DRAGONS...."RIGHT
Jer 11:9 And the LORD said unto me, A
conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of
Jer 11:10 They are turned back to the iniquities of
their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other
gods to serve them: the house of Israel and
the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.
Jer 11:12 Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants
of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto
whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of
Jer 11:17 For the LORD of hosts, that planted thee, hath
pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the
house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me
to anger in offering incense unto Baal.
Jer 12:14 Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the
inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit;
Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and
pluck out the house of Judah from among them.
Jer.13:9 Thus saith the LORD,
After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of
10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my
words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other
gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle,
which is good for nothing.
11 For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to
cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith
the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a
praise, and for a glory: but they would not
12 ∂ Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus
saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be
filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not
certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
13 Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold,
I will fill all the inhabitants of this land,
even the kings that sit upon Davidís throne, and the priests, and the
prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
14 And I will dash them one against another,
even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor
spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
(wine= code word for SPIRIT or "SPIRITS". God
said he shall fill every bottle with....."SPIRITS".....and they
shall dash one another to pieces. Can anyone say......"THE
THING"?????. Evil Spirits have been sent by the Lord to accomplish his
will ladies and gentlemen!)
Jer 14:19 Hast thou utterly
rejected Judah? hath thy soul lothed Zion?
why hast thou smitten us, and there is no healing for us? we looked for peace,
and there is no good; and for the time of healing, and behold trouble!
Jer 17:1 The sin of
Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond:
it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars;
Jer 18:11 Now therefore go to, speak to the
men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the
LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a
device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way,
and make your ways and your doings good.
Jer 19:7 And I will make
void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem
in this place; and I will cause them to
fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek
their lives: and their carcases will I give to be meat for the fowls of the
heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.
Jer 20:4 For thus saith the LORD, Behold,
I will make thee a terror to thyself, and to all thy friends: and they
shall fall by the sword of their enemies, and thine eyes shall behold
it: and I will give all
Judah into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall carry them
captive into Babylon, and shall slay them with the sword.
Jer 22:6 For thus saith the LORD unto
the kingís house of Judah; Thou art Gilead unto me, and the head of
Lebanon: yet surely I will make thee a
wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited.
Jer 24:5 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so
will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I
have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.
Jer 25:18 To wit, Jerusalem, and the cities of
Judah, and the kings thereof, and the princes thereof, to make
them a desolation, an astonishment, an hissing, and a curse; as it is this day;
Jer 31:27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of
Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of
man, and with the seed of beast.
Jer 32:32 Because
of all the evil of the children of Israel and of the children of Judah, which
they have done to provoke me to anger, they, their kings, their princes, their
priests, and their prophets, and the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of
Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of
the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the
fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind,
that they should do this abomination, to cause
Judah to sin.
Jer 34:22 Behold, I will command, saith the LORD, and
cause them to return to this city; and they shall fight against it, and take
it, and burn it with fire: and I will make the
cities of Judah a desolation without an inhabitant.
(Umm, you don't want to be anywhere near the 'cities of
Judah" right now, thats for sure!)
Jer 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts,
the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon
Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have
pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have
not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered.
Jer 36:31 And I will punish him and his
seed and his servants for their iniquity; and I will bring upon them,
and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and
upon the men of Judah, all the evil that I have pronounced against them; but
they hearkened not.
Jer 44:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I
will set my face against you for evil, and to cut
Jer 44:14 So that none of the remnant
of Judah, which are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall
escape or remain, that they should return into the land of Judah, to
the which they have a desire to return to dwell there:
for none shall return but such as shall escape
Jer 44:27 Behold, I will watch over
them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in
the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until
there be an end of them.
La 1:15 The Lord hath trodden under foot all my mighty
men in the midst of me: he hath called an assembly against me to crush
my young men: the
Lord hath trodden the virgin, the daughter of Judah, as in a winepress.
La 2:5 The Lord was as an enemy: he
hath swallowed up Israel, he hath swallowed up all her palaces: he hath
destroyed his strong holds, and hath
increased in the daughter of Judah mourning and lamentation.
What is it about the LORD Jesus the Christ the
creator from the beginning you do not understand?
Eze 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is
it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which
they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have
returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose
Eze 9:9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of
the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full
of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath
forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.
Evangelical Judeo Churchinsanity and Talmudic Jewry
Ho 5:5 And the pride of Israel doth testify to his face: therefore shall Israel
and Ephraim fall in their iniquity; Judah also
shall fall with them.
Ho 5:10 The princes of Judah were like them that remove the bound: therefore
I will pour out my wrath upon them like water.
(Water as a flood out of the dragons mouth!)
Ho 5:14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and
as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I
will take away, and none shall rescue him.
Ho 8:14 For Israel hath forgotten his Maker, and buildeth temples; and
Judah hath multiplied fenced cities: but I will send a fire upon his
cities, and it shall devour the palaces thereof.
Ho 12:2 The LORD hath also a controversy with
Judah, and will punish Jacob according to
his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him.
Am 2:4 Thus saith the LORD; For three
transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not turn away the
punishment thereof; because they have despised the law
of the LORD, and have not kept his commandments, and
their lies caused them to err, after the which their fathers have walked:
Am 2:5 But I
will send a fire upon Judah, and it shall devour the palaces of
Mic 1:5 For the transgression of Jacob is all this, and for the sins of the
house of Israel. What is the transgression of
Jacob? is it not Samaria? and what are
the high places of Judah? are they not Jerusalem?
Zep 1:4 I will also stretch out mine
hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and
I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the
Chemarims with the priests;
Zec 11:14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that
I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people
round about, when they
shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:6 In that day will
I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like
a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about,
on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited
again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
Zec 14:14 And Judah also shall fight
at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered
together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
Mal 2:11 Judah hath dealt
treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem;
for Judah hath profaned the
holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married
the daughter of a strange god.
So, who wants to be a "SAYER"??? You do? You be very brave in
"TEMPTING THE LORD"!. Better read these verses over again real slow!
For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you
have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba!
Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in--who slipped in to spy out
our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into
23But the son of the slave was born according to the
flesh, while the son of the free woman was born
through promise. 24
Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants.
One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now
Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present
Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit
again to a yoke of slavery.
Noahide laws of JUDAH
2 Corinthians 3:3
And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not
with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on
tablets of man's hearts
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart,
leading you to fall away from the living God.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the
do you hear in Judea?
They Damn themselves to
everlasting shame unto their shem sham of Judah and Talmudic jewry
The Law is Only a Minimum
In contrast to the wicked Christian doctrine
that the Law is too difficult to follow and that everyone falls short of the
Law, the Bible (Hebrew Scriptures) clearly teaches that G-d's Law is the
absolute minimum that He expects everyone to follow.
their gods of their flesh they have made unto
themselves unto the Dragon and his beast sanhedrin
The Law is merely the foundation for our spiritual service to G-d; we
start by obeying every detail of the Law--which is not too difficult--and then
we can begin building our spiritual "house" in this world, helping
to bring the revelation of G-d's kingdom into the physical world.
The Yoke of the Assyrian
In other words, the purpose of life is to serve G-d with everything we
This starts by obeying His Law completely, and on that basis we are now
able to harness our energies and opportunities every single day for His goals,
The Law contains two parallel (but separate) paths for the world: 613
commandments for the Jews, and 66 commandments (contained in the 7 Noachide
Laws) for gentiles. Once a Noachide is committed to keeping the 66 mitzvos, he
may (and really should) take on the responsibility for additional mitzvos,
with certain clear exceptions: Non-Jews may not observe Shabbos (or holidays)
in the manner of Jews (by avoiding the 39 categories of work), nor may
non-Jews put on tefillin or tzitzis, put up a mezuzah, or be called up for a
public Torah reading in a synagogue. There are other restrictions as well,
including certain limitations on Torah study (depending partly on individual
for they are zee massah race
But many or most of the 613 mitzvos can be observed by Noachides for
for they are made two fold the children of hell in
Indeed, some of these additional commandments are important (though
technically not required) for gentiles to observe, while other commandments
would also be a good idea.
Good idea's are not FACT of the Father
Our generation, as the Lubavitcher Rebbe (Schneerson
who is dead with worms crawling through his rotted bones) has
repeatedly declared, is the last generation of exile and darkness, and the
first generation of Moshiach (the Messiah) and the Redemption.
his children unto their dragon
All of us -- Jews and Noachides -- have an urgent responsibility to
transform the world immediately in order to bring Moshiach, and this involves
going well beyond the minimum of the Law.
Cry out for the Dragon
A recent influx of money has enabled a number of orthodox Jewish activists
and rabbis to begin organizing Noachide activities and to investigate the
Torah rules for how Noachides carry out additional mitzvos. However, our
recent activities have nearly exhausted the available funds. We therefore do
not yet have all the detailed answers, but we have been making rapid progress.
The following list is therefore only a short summary, not a complete
explanation, of additional mitzvos that should be adopted as quickly as
possible by Noachides everywhere:
- Noachides should pray, at least once every day. There
are specific rules how prayer should be done, rules that are routinely
violated (out of sheer ignorance) by Christians. There is a proper way to
pray, and a wrong way.
1: Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2: Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4: For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5: But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6: And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7: And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8: But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9: And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10: Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11: But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mt:6:5: And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
- Noachides should observe a variety of Torah rules for modesty in dress
and behavior, especially between men and women. There are both
similarities and differences in how these rules apply to men and women.
Mt:23:14: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mt:23:15: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
- Noachides may not observe any religious holidays outside the rabbinical
traditions of Torah -- most especially including such Christian holidays
as X-mas, Easter, Halloween, All Saint's Day, Good Friday, Ash Wednesday,
and probably even the "new year" (January 1st). Alien religious
holidays are forbidden even under the minimum of the Noachide code; these
are violations of the commandment against idolatry.
Isa:1:14: Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
Instead, Noachides should commemorate at least the following holidays:
Rosh Hashanah, Sukkos, the 19th of Kislev (the chasidic "new
year"), Chanukah, Purim, Shavuos -- and each person's birthday on the
Hebrew calendar. However, Noachide participation in these holidays is
different in various ways from the manner of Jewish observance. Each
holiday must be observed according to precise rules.
Isa:1:13: Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
- Noachides, generally speaking, should not limit the number of children
they have. Moreover, a proper Torah education for their children is
absolutely essential. Ultimately, such a Torah-learning program will be
similar to the programs for Jewish children, but with many important
Mk:7:13: Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Right now, a supplemental daily home-schooling Torah program is being
developed and used to teach Noachide children. All parents must rapidly
get involved, teaching their children at least one hour per day (after
school, for example) according to this program. As the number of
participating families grows, it will soon be possible to organize
full-time Noachide chedarim (day schools for grade-school children)
in many communities. This approach to education, based on the
three-thousand-year-old Jewish yeshiva system, drastically minimizes
secular studies (math, science, history, English, social studies,
computers & other technical studies) in favor of total immersion in
Torah, the Word of G-d. This includes written Torah, oral Torah, halacha
(religious law), Hebrew language, etc.; this philosophy of education is
fundamentally opposite the one used in public and private schools and in
standard home-schooling programs.
Mt:10:21: And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
- Noachides should give tzedaka (charity) for genuinely poor people,
interest-free loans to others who are not as poor, and support for Torah
education. We can easily identify numerous people who need genuine
charitable assistance of one type or another: The elderly, unwed mothers
& pregnant teens (who might otherwise have abortions), inner-city
children, etc. The assistance is not just through money; in many cases,
people need organized programs and activities to help them get involved in
positive community affairs, rather than becoming isolated and lonely.
Jms:5:3: Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
Again, there are a number of exact rules as to how to give such money,
It would also be good to give contributions to the Israeli settlers in
the West Bank, whose communities are now becoming endangered by the
growing PLO occupation forces and terrorist actions. These brave families
and yeshivos need much support from Americans.
- The Noachide commandment of "justice" primarily means teaching
one's neighbors, friends, associates, etc., the details of the Noachide
code, and that G-d sees and hears everything, rewarding every good deed
and punishing every sin. This means outreach. Noachides must turn
Christians away from their idolatry and their disregard of G-d's Law, and
must bring all gentiles to a full acceptance of G-d's Law, including the
oral Torah and the complete authority of the orthodox rabbis. This will
quickly revolutionize our society, restoring morality, respect for
authority, and the fear of G-d throughout the land. Similar efforts, of
course, must also be extended to foreign countries.
Acts:3:14: But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Certain materials, including fliers and books, are already available
for this outreach, and audiotape lectures are being developed.
- We learn from the prophet Isaiah that Noachides will play a very
important role in bringing non-observant Jews back to their 613
commandments. As part of the outreach effort to other gentiles, Noachides
must further direct their energies toward teaching Jews the important of
Jewish law. Noachides must also aggressively combat the schemes of
Christian missionaries, who are stealing Jewish--and gentile--souls away
from eternal life under G-d's Law to the evil of Christian idolatry.
Ti:1:14: Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
- To prepare the way for establishing proper Noachide courts of law,
Noachides must make a special effort--beyond all other Torah studies--to
learn, in detail, the exact requirements of every part of the Noachide
code. This is a difficult, long-term task, because the details of the
Noachide laws apply to every possible situation in life. But a thorough
learning of the Noachide halachos will open the door for selecting
G-d-fearing Noachide judges for the future courts. This project
can begin immediately with the study of the existing books on the Noachide
laws, and will later be followed up with rabbinically-supervised yeshiva
programs that still need to be organized.
Mt:11:29: Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mt:11:30: For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
- A number of other programs must be organized by Noachide communities,
including making kosher meat available as a substitute for the improper
meat in the stores (this is particularly needed in parts of the country
remote from Jewish communities); helping arrange proper Noachide
marriages, and creating family support networks for childbirth, death,
etc.; financially assisting the building and expansion of orthodox Jewish
synagogues to have additional rooms for Noachide meetings; teaching other
gentiles how to attain financial discipline and pay off outstanding debts
(especially credit card debts); and so forth.
Mt:16:6: Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
All the above recommendations will accelerate the revelation of Moshiach
(the Messiah), so there is no time to waste. Let's get to work!
2Thes:2:3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Now satan's son attack your
sent to White House 5-31-2005
The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies
The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies
In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776
The declaration of the Saints of Jesus the
Christ, May 31 2005
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
The unanimous Declaration of the saints of Jesus
the Christ of Sion
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
to dissolve the (Talmudic)
political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume
among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the
Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the
opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which
impel them to the separation.
Noahide Laws of the Dragon of Sanhedrin
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator (Jesus
the Christ) with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights,
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any
Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,
it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute
it is the Right of the People to
alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government
it is the Right of the People to
alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in
such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long
established should not be changed for light and transient causes;(Talmudic
Noahide Laws) and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that
mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to
right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But
when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is
their right, it is their duty,
to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future
security. óSuch has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and
such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former
Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain
[George III] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having
in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these
States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
(King George Bush)
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for
the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing
importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be
obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large
districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of
Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and
formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual,
uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records,
for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
Crawford texas, Ranch camp Howdy Doody
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with
manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause
others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of
Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the
State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion
from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that
purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to
pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the
conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent
to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their
offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of
Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the
consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to
the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a
jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our
laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders
which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring
Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its
Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for
introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and
altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested
with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection
and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and
destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to
compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with
circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most
barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas
to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their
friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured
to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian
Savages,(Talmudic Jews) whose known
rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in
the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by
repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act
which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British (Talmudic
Jewish) brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts
by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We
have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement
here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we
have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these
usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and
correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of
consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which
denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies
in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America,(We
the People) in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the
Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the
Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly
publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to
be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance
to the British Crown, (Talmudic satanic
Crown of Sanhedrin and the Universal laws unto the Dragon) and that
all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain,(ISREALHELL)
is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent
States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract
Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which
Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this
Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence,
we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred
The signers of the Declaration represented the new states as
Baldwin County Alabama
Robert G. Pickle
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton
John Hancock, Samual Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart,
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George
Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison,
Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton
Sen. Jeff Sessions/ Alabama
Richard Shelby / Alabama
Senator Lisa Murkowski/ Alaska
Senator Kyl / Arizona
Senator McCain/ Arizona
Would any of you like to help me
e-mail every Senator, Congressman/woman/ Judge/ Media in the United states?
Just copy, clip and paste then send to them....Do it now, or forever let the
Blood be on your hands, For who will Work with the Father against these
workers of Iniquity?
United States Senator, Colorado| Ken Salazar
Christopher Dodd/ Conecticut
Senator Biden / Delaware
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Peter a Jew?
Whore of Babylon"
the " Ael-ians coming"
Street " The Mark" is Here
has happened "War Declared upon and in America"
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you ever need to know about their god and Qabalah"
Material 3-25-2004 Prophecy
Sincere Request to "Rapture" Teachers
Security, "The Police State"
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Scribes of Baal
will they do it- " The false-christ"
Christ Part II
Changing of the Guards"
The beginning of sorrows has begun
Tales "Wagging the Global Dog"
Plan", Protocols of Zion ( of course they will dispute it's authenticity)
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Da Plane Boss, wheres da plane?
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Coup d' Etat
Federal Reserve, Fed up with the Fed?
Protocols Today. Dispute this, Liars !
Today Part Two
to a friend "It's not the Jews Dummy"
of the Illuminati
"Son's of the Synagogue of Satan"Chabad Lubavitch
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One World Religion
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the god of Talmud Bavli
Raiser of Taxes"
Ishmael Kislev 19, 5764
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the Time and the Laws
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murdered Jesus the Christ
Theology" of Judaic Talmudism
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