Talmudic Dragon Moon Calendar
Cheshvan, 1 5766 ,
times of their Babylonian Sumerian Doctrine and laws
of Iniquity unto desolation for
them who Deny the Christ, Jesus the Lord.
E Mail from Sanhedrin 11-2-2005
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2005 7:54 PM
whats the matter Dov?
Is your Nazi afraid to talk to me,
a saint of the Most HIGH
Dov Stein's reply
IW=ISREAL Work to sent to HELL all
Amaraka. You are sold out. There is no reversing the Laws manufactured by your
treasonous Congress, Judges, Freemason Lawyers, and the White House of the
president of the United States of America.
They are moving
full speed ahead to implement Talmudic Law in every Court Room in the
will either obey the Talmudic Universal Noahide Laws or be purged.
destruction is now upon you. All who deny Jesus the Life Giver the creator, will
be destroyed forever.
Repent. Do not
Christ who is the Great and Mighty King of his saints is the Only Freedom you
will have from hence forth.
Will you stand
firm and Testify of the Great and Mighty King of Kings? Or will you worship the
beast who comes out of the bottomless pit, the false king of the Talmudic
Sanhedrin beast of the Dragon?
Either way the
Prophecy is written, beware and let no man deceive you.
CIA holds terror suspects in secret prisons
Terror suspect definition: anyone who is
"Against them" and their Red Sofiet Talmudic satanic Universal Noahide
Debate grows within agency about legality,
morality of approach
By Dana Priest
Updated: 7:57 a.m. ET Nov. 2, 2005
The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its
most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era
compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar
with the arrangement.
The secret facility is
part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA
nearly four years ago that at various times has included
sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several
(Noahide) democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the
Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence
officials and diplomats from three continents.
The hidden global internment network
is a central element in the CIA's unconventional war
on terrorism. It depends on the cooperation of foreign intelligence services,
and on keeping even basic information about the system secret from the public,
foreign officials and nearly all members of Congress charged
with overseeing the CIA's covert actions.
The existence and locations of the facilities --
referred to as "black sites" in
classified White House, CIA, Justice Department and congressional documents --
are known to only a handful of officials in the United States and, usually, only
to the president and a few top intelligence officers in each host country.
Their Hassidim handlers
The CIA and the White House, citing national security
concerns and the value of the program, (Treason)
have dissuaded Congress from demanding that the agency answer questions in open
testimony about the conditions under which captives are held. Virtually
nothing is known about who is kept in the facilities, what interrogation methods
are employed with them, or how decisions are made about whether they should be
detained or for how long.
While the Defense Department has produced volumes of
public reports and testimony about its detention practices and rules after the
abuse scandals at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at Guantanamo Bay, the
CIA has not even acknowledged the existence of its black sites. To do so,
say officials familiar with the program, could open the U.S. government to legal
challenges, particularly in foreign courts, and increase the risk
of political condemnation at home and abroad.
But the revelations of widespread prisoner abuse in Afghanistan and Iraq by the
U.S. military -- which operates under published rules and transparent oversight
of Congress -- have increased concern among lawmakers, foreign governments and
human rights groups about the opaque CIA system. Those concerns escalated last
month, when Vice President Cheney and CIA Director
Porter J. Goss asked Congress to exempt CIA employees from legislation already
endorsed by 90 senators that would bar cruel and degrading treatment of any
prisoner in U.S. custody.
Although the CIA will not acknowledge details of its
system, intelligence officials defend the agency's approach, arguing that the
successful defense of the country requires that the agency be empowered to hold
and interrogate suspected terrorists for as long as necessary and without
restrictions imposed by the U.S. legal system or even by the military tribunals
established for prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay.
Treasonous Blasphemous murderers
of the Dictatorship of Bushitler and his Chabad Lubavitch Vipers of hell
The Washington Post is not publishing the names of the
Eastern European countries involved in the covert program, at the request of
senior U.S. officials. They argued that the disclosure might disrupt
counterterrorism efforts in those countries and elsewhere and could make them
targets of possible terrorist retaliation.
They know they could be Lynched
for High Treason for the TERROR which proceed from them for their Global hoodlum
haha of the Nasi
The secret detention system was conceived in the
chaotic and anxious first months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, when the
working assumption was that a second strike was imminent.
Since then, the arrangement has been increasingly
debated within the CIA, where considerable concern lingers about the
legality, morality and practicality of holding even unrepentant terrorists in
such isolation and secrecy, perhaps for the duration of their lives.
Mid-level and senior CIA officers began arguing two years ago that the system
was unsustainable and diverted the agency from its unique espionage mission.
"We never sat down, as far as I know, and came up
with a grand strategy," said one former senior intelligence officer who is
familiar with the program but not the location of the prisons. "Everything
was very reactive. That's how you get to a situation where you pick people up,
send them into a netherworld and don't say, 'What are we going to do with them
You are next, saints of Jesus the
Christ the LORD, for all whose names are not written in the Lambs Book of Life,
worship the dragon and his beast. They will think to do their Talmudic Judaic
non god a service when they deliver you up to be afflicted and slain
It is illegal for the government to hold prisoners in
such isolation in secret prisons in the United States, which is why the CIA
placed them overseas, according to several former and current intelligence
officials and other U.S. government officials. Legal experts and intelligence
officials said that the CIA's internment practices also would be considered
illegal under the laws of several host countries, where detainees have rights to
have a lawyer or to mount a defense against allegations of wrongdoing.
Host countries have signed the U.N. Convention Against
Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, as has
the United States. Yet CIA interrogators in the overseas sites are permitted to
use the CIA's approved "Enhanced
Interrogation Techniques," some of which are prohibited by the U.N.
convention and by U.S. military law. They include tactics such as "waterboarding,"
in which a prisoner is made to believe he or she is
SICK FILTHY Perverted satanic
TREASON and Blasphemy....Gawd Bliss Amaraka....yeah sure
The Land of the Judeo-Churchinsanity
Some detainees apprehended by the CIA and transferred
to foreign intelligence agencies have alleged after their release that they were
tortured, although it is unclear whether CIA personnel played a role in the
alleged abuse. Given the secrecy surrounding CIA detentions, such accusations
have heightened concerns among foreign governments and human rights groups about
CIA detention and interrogation practices.
Talmudic collective punishment
techniques unto the dragon
The contours of the CIA's detention program have emerged in bits and pieces over
the past two years. Parliaments in Canada, Italy, France, Sweden and the
Netherlands have opened inquiries into alleged CIA operations that secretly captured
their citizens or legal residents and transferred them to the agency's prisons.
More than 100 suspected terrorists have been sent by
the CIA into the covert system, according to current and former U.S.
intelligence officials and foreign sources. This figure, a rough estimate based
on information from sources who said their knowledge of the numbers was
incomplete, does not include prisoners picked up in Iraq.
The detainees break down roughly into two classes, the
About 30 are considered major terrorism suspects and
have been held under the highest level of secrecy at black sites financed by the
CIA and managed by agency personnel, including those in Eastern Europe and
elsewhere, according to current and former intelligence officers and two other
U.S. government officials. Two locations in this category -- in Thailand and on
the grounds of the military prison at Guantanamo Bay -- were closed in 2003 and
A second tier -- which these sources believe includes
more than 70 detainees -- is a group considered less important, with less direct
involvement in terrorism and having limited intelligence value. These prisoners,
some of whom were originally taken to black sites, are delivered to intelligence
services in Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Afghanistan and other countries, a process
sometimes known as "rendition." While the first-tier black sites are
run by CIA officers, the jails in these countries are operated by the host
nations, with CIA financial assistance and, sometimes, direction.
Morocco, Egypt and Jordan have said that they do not
torture detainees, although years of State Department human rights reports
accuse all three of chronic prisoner abuse
The top 30 al Qaeda prisoners exist in complete
isolation from the outside world. Kept in dark, sometimes underground cells,
they have no recognized legal rights, and no one outside the CIA is allowed to
talk with or even see them, or to otherwise verify their well-being, said
current and former and U.S. and foreign government and intelligence officials.
Most of the facilities were built and are maintained
with congressionally appropriated funds, but the White House has refused to
allow the CIA to brief anyone except the chairman and vice chairman of the House
and Senate intelligence committees on the program's generalities.
The Eastern European countries that the CIA has
persuaded to hide al Qaeda captives are democracies (Noahide
regimes) that have embraced the rule of law and individual rights after
decades of Soviet domination. Each has been trying to cleanse its intelligence
services of operatives who have worked on behalf of others -- mainly Russia and
The idea of holding terrorists outside the U.S. legal
system was not under consideration before Sept. 11, 2001, not even for Osama bin
Laden, according to former government officials. The plan was to bring bin Laden
and his top associates into the U.S. justice system for trial or to send them to
foreign countries where they would be tried.
‘Against the culture’
"The issue of detaining and interrogating people was never, ever
discussed," said a former senior intelligence officer who worked in the
CIA's Counterterrorist Center, or CTC, during that period. "It was against
the culture and they believed information was best gleaned by other means."
On the day of the attacks, the CIA already had a list
of what it called High-Value Targets from the al Qaeda structure, and as the
World Trade Center and Pentagon attack plots were unraveled, more names were
added to the list. The question of what to do with these people surfaced
The CTC's chief of operations argued for creating hit
teams of case officers and CIA paramilitaries that would covertly infiltrate
countries in the Middle East, Africa and even Europe to assassinate people (ExtraJewdicial
murder) on the list, one by one.
But many CIA officers believed that the al Qaeda
leadership would be worth keeping alive to interrogate about their network and
other plots. Some officers worried that the CIA would not be very adept at
"We'd probably shoot ourselves," another
former senior CIA official said.
The agency set up prisons under its covert action
authority. Under U.S. law, only the
president can authorize a covert action, by signing a document called a
presidential finding. Findings must not break U.S. law and are reviewed and
approved by CIA, Justice Department and White House legal advisers.
Yeah right, see HJR 104, PL
Six days after the Sept. 11 attacks, President
Bush signed a sweeping finding that gave the CIA broad authorization to
disrupt terrorist activity, including
permission to kill, capture and detain members of al Qaeda anywhere in
It could not be determined whether Bush approved a
separate finding for the black-sites program, but the consensus among current
and former intelligence and other government officials interviewed for this
article is that he did not have to.
Rather, they believe that the CIA general counsel's
office acted within the parameters of the Sept. 17 finding. The black site
program was approved by a small circle of White House and Justice Department
lawyers and officials, according to several former and current U.S. government
and intelligence officials.
Among the first steps was to figure out where the CIA
could secretly hold the captives. One early idea was to keep them on ships in
international waters, but that was discarded for security and logistics reasons.
CIA officers also searched for a setting like Alcatraz
Island. They considered the virtually unvisited islands in Lake Kariba in
Zambia, which were edged with craggy cliffs and covered in woods. But poor
sanitary conditions could easily lead to fatal diseases, they decided, and
besides, they wondered, could the Zambians be trusted with such a secret?
Still without a long-term solution, the CIA began
sending suspects it captured in the first month or so after Sept. 11 to its
longtime partners, the intelligence services of Egypt and Jordan.
A month later, the CIA found itself with hundreds of
prisoners who were captured on battlefields in Afghanistan. A short-term
solution was improvised. The agency shoved its highest-value prisoners into
metal shipping containers set up on a corner of the Bagram Air Base, which was
surrounded with a triple perimeter of concertina-wire fencing. Most prisoners
were left in the hands of the Northern Alliance, U.S.-supported opposition
forces who were fighting the Taliban.
"I remember asking: What are we going to do with
these people?" said a senior CIA officer. "I kept saying, where's the
help? We've got to bring in some help. We can't be jailers -- our job is to find
Then came grisly reports, in the winter of 2001, that prisoners kept by allied Afghan
generals in cargo containers had died of asphyxiation. The CIA asked
Congress for, and was quickly granted, tens of millions of dollars to establish
a larger, long-term system in Afghanistan, parts of which would be used for CIA
The largest CIA prison in Afghanistan was code-named
the Salt Pit. It was also the
CIA's substation and was first housed in an old brick factory outside Kabul. In
November 2002, an inexperienced CIA case officer allegedly
ordered guards to strip naked an uncooperative young detainee, chain him to the
concrete floor and leave him there overnight without blankets. He froze to
death, according to four U.S. government officials. The CIA officer has
not been charged in the death.
The Salt Pit was protected by surveillance cameras and
tough Afghan guards, but the road leading to it was not safe to travel and the
jail was eventually moved inside Bagram Air Base. It has since been relocated
off the base.
By mid-2002, the CIA had worked out secret black site
deals with two countries, including Thailand and one Eastern European nation,
current and former officials said. An estimated $100 million was tucked inside
the classified annex of the first supplemental Afghanistan appropriation.
Then the CIA captured its first big detainee, in March
28, 2002. Pakistani forces took Abu Zubaida, al Qaeda's operations chief, into
custody and the CIA whisked him to the new black site in Thailand, which
included underground interrogation cells, said several former and current
intelligence officials. Six months later, Sept. 11 planner Ramzi Binalshibh was
also captured in Pakistan and flown to Thailand.
But after published reports revealed the existence of
the site in June 2003, Thai officials insisted the CIA shut it down, and the two
terrorists were moved elsewhere, according to former government officials
involved in the matter. Work between the two countries on counterterrorism has
been lukewarm ever since.
In late 2002 or early 2003, the CIA brokered deals with
other countries to establish black-site prisons. One of these sites -- which
sources said they believed to be the CIA's biggest facility now -- became
particularly important when the agency realized it would have a growing number
of prisoners and a shrinking number of prisons.
Thailand was closed, and sometime in 2004 the CIA
decided it had to give up its small site at Guantanamo Bay. The CIA had planned
to convert that into a state-of-the-art facility, operated independently of the
military. The CIA pulled out when U.S. courts began to exercise greater control
over the military detainees, and agency officials feared judges would soon
extend the same type of supervision over their detainees.
In hindsight, say some former and current intelligence
officials, the CIA's problems were exacerbated by another decision made within
the Counterterrorist Center at Langley.
Bigger group of detainees
The CIA program's original scope was to hide and interrogate the two dozen or so
al Qaeda leaders believed to be directly responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks,
or who posed an imminent threat, or had knowledge of the larger al Qaeda
network. But as the volume of leads pouring into the CTC from abroad increased,
and the capacity of its paramilitary group to seize suspects grew, the CIA began
apprehending more people whose intelligence value and links to terrorism were
less certain, according to four current and former officials.
The original standard for consigning
suspects to the invisible universe was lowered or ignored, they said.
"They've got many, many more who don't reach any threshold," one
intelligence official said.
Several former and current intelligence officials, as
well as several other U.S. government officials with knowledge of the program,
express frustration that the White House and the leaders of the intelligence
community have not made it a priority to decide whether the secret internment
program should continue in its current form, or be replaced by some other
Meanwhile, the debate over the wisdom of the program
continues among CIA officers, some of whom also argue that the secrecy
surrounding the program is not sustainable.
|Lewis Libby, right, next to
Vice President Cheney, takes part in a meeting in the Presidential
Emergency Operations Center minutes after the Sept. 11 attacks.
Libby Jewish? Some wonder
There is no faith in dragon worship
neo-con’s faith impacts leak scandal
November 2, 2005
WASHINGTON, Nov. 2 (JTA) — When Joshua Muravchik, perhaps the pre-eminent
expert on the interventionist foreign policy that has become known as neo-conservatism,
(Hassidic Sofiet Talmudism) was looking for
non-Jewish neo-cons to prove that the movement isn’t pervasively Jewish, he
naturally included Lewis Libby.
Ger Toshav Shabbos Goyim, Proselytes of the Hassidic
satanic Pharisees of Talmud Bavli mystery Babylon
“Non-Jews figuring prominently in current foreign-policy debates and today
called neo-cons include Libby, (John) Bolton, American Enterprise Institute
president Christopher DeMuth, and Gary Schmitt of the Project for the New
American Century,” Muravchik wrote in Commentary magazine two years ago.
All of them are Jews
“Go easy on me,” Muravchik laughingly told a reporter this week, after it
emerged that the man at the center of the White House leak scandal indeed
Libby resigned last Friday as Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff
just hours after his indictment on perjury charges related to the leaking of the
name of a CIA operative married to a prominent Bush administration critic.
Across the blogosphere, anti-Semitic and anti-Israel conspiracy theorists
were quick to tie Libby’s Jewishness to his role in selling the Iraq war,
imagining once again a neo-con cabal that has a singular agenda: promoting
Israel at all costs.
Hoodlum haha of the Sanhedrin unto the dragon they
“One more Jewish Neocon
Traitor,” headlined the White Civil Rights Web site, which features the
writings of David Duke.
Yet the fact that many people in Washington — including neo-conservatives
— had no idea that Libby was Jewish underscores how
tenuous the Jewish-neo-con link actually is, said Muravchik, a resident
scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and Jewish himself.
“One key measure of the falsity of the argument is that the non-Jewish
neo-cons are equally pro-Israel as Jewish neo-cons,” he said.
hahahhahhahahha want some ocean front property in the
In addition to DeMuth, Schmitt and Bolton — who now is U.S. ambassador to
the United Nations — prominent non-Jewish neo-cons include Bolton’s
predecessors Jeanne Kirkpatrick and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, former CIA chief
James Woolsey and former Education Secretary William Bennett.
Freemason Proselyte Noahides
Conversely, polls have found that a majority of American Jews embrace liberal
and centrist views. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, last year’s Democratic
presidential candidate, won up to 77 percent of the Jewish vote.
Muravchik’s mistake was one a lot of people have made. Two other prominent Jewish
neo-conservatives insisted to JTA last week that Libby was not Jewish.
Libby’s Jewish profile at the White House was low, according to Jews who
have worked with the administration. Other Jewish staffers knew he was Jewish,
but he was not one of the highly identified Jews, such as Tevi Troy, the deputy
assistant policy adviser to the president, or Joshua Bolten, director of the
Office of Management and Budget.
The low profile was attributable in part to Libby’s general reserve and to
his closeness to power. After Karl Rove, Bush’s top adviser, he was considered
the most powerful unelected
official in the White House.
Not every Jew who works in the White House likes to wear his identity on his
sleeve, said Jay Footlik, the Clinton White House’s liaison to the Jewish
“If they didn’t choose to self-identify as a member of the community, if
they didn’t express a concern on a particular issue or ask to be a part of a
meeting when a Jewish organization came into the White House, then we might have
known they were Jewish, or we might not,” Footlik said.
Some of the misapprehension apparently has to do with Libby’s persona. His
Andover prep school education; his nickname, “Scooter”; and the Jr. tacked
onto the end of his full name as it appears in the federal directory — I.
Lewis Libby, Jr. — seem to indicate a non-Jewish background.
artful at Kol Nidre deception
In fact, Libby, 55, for years has been a member of
Temple Rodef Shalom in Falls Church, Va., a five-minute drive from his
home in McLean, a wealthy suburb known for multimillion homes housing top
lobbyists, lawyers and Bush administration officials.
Officials of the Reform movement and the synagogue were reluctant to discuss
Libby’s involvement. Acquaintances don’t remember seeing him at shul, aside
from High Holy Day services.
Libby’s membership in the Temple guide lists his wife, Harriet Grant, a
former staffer for congressional Democrats, and two school-age kids.
“His name never even came up when talking about Jews in the administration,
not even as part of the so-called ‘neo-con cabal,’ ” said one Reform
official who asked not to be identified.
The Jewish Virtual Library, a Web site, listed Libby as Jewish, though its
sourcing was unclear.
Libby’s only other ostensible Jewish involvement was with the Republican
Jewish Coalition, and only
since he joined the Bush administration. He made an appearance at the
RJC’s 20th anniversary celebration last month.
Libby is known as a workaholic but he has a busy private life which could
have kept him from spending much time on extracurricular Jewish activities.
He’s an avid skier, plays touch football on weekends and has written and
published an erotically charged
novel set in Japan.
See Lynn Cheney's Lesbian novels
A number of Jewish leaders told JTA they didn’t think Libby’s Jewishness
would become a factor in the leak scandal that has obsessed Washington, but his
name already appeared on numerous
anti-Semitic Web sites long before JTA published an item over the weekend
reporting his synagogue membership.
say the anti-Christ of Hell and the Talmudic Hassidic
"Replacement Theology" of Talmud Bavli the tradition which makes the
WORD of God of none effect.
Muravchik said it’s an old ploy to ascribe ulterior motives to
neo-conservatives having to do with the Jewish origins of some movement leaders.
hahahhahhahhahhahhahha........... too late for that
anti-Christ defense, you are now well documented. For seven years I have
collected your anti-Christ agenda. Not one Human on this Planet can call it
"Conspiracy Theory", it is well established FACT. Any who deny it are
“It’s certainly a slur that has been repeated by people who are enemies
of neo-conservatives or who are enemies of Jews,” he said.
Well then fireball, I slur away and away
The underlying argument is that the movement led the
Bush administration into war with Iraq in hopes of protecting Israel.
That argument ignores the low Jewish profile of many other Jewish neo-cons.
It also ignores the essentially American origins of a movement that seeks to
spread democracy overseas.
Noahide Democrazy of the Talmudic Hassidim who control
the kings of the earth unto the devil that old dragon
The sympathy for Israel is simple, Muravchik said.
“It’s a lone democracy (Noahide Demonicrazy)
in the Middle East, and it was a chief target of the Soviet bloc,” opposition
to which helped shape neo-conservatism. “It was also the chief inspiration of
dissent in the Soviet bloc at the time when there was very little in the
hahaha the Red Sofiet Talmudic shemborgs of the
Referring to a 1996 paper by three prominent Jewish neo-conservatives that
pressed Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister at the time, to engage
against Iraq, Muravchik wrote in Commentary that it would “make more sense to
say that, in preparing a paper for Netanyahu, they were trying to influence
Israeli policy on behalf of American interests than the other way around.
Indeed, most Israeli officials at that time viewed Iran, the sponsor of
Hezbollah and Hamas, as a more pressing threat to their country than Iraq, and
(then as later) would have preferred that it be given priority in any campaign
In an interview this week, Muravchik noted an emerging split between American
neo-cons and members of Israel’s ruling Likud Party over the movement’s
enthusiastic backing for President Bush’s Middle East policies, particularly
his support for Palestinian statehood.
the Difference between Dan Samaria Aholah and her
sister whore Aholibah, Judah
“I’ve had numerous private and public exchanges on this topic with
Likudniks and non-Likudniks who say, ‘You Americans are nuts, you don’t know
these Arabs. We know them; the idea that they can resolve differences peacefully
is hopelessly farfetched,’ ” Muravchik said. “I’ve been in rooms where
Americans were talking about democracy for the Arabs, and Israelis were
and the Robbers attempt to establish
their vision of the Rule of the beast Sanhedrin and their Moshiach false king of
"Left", Hilary visits Aholibah, Judah, the whore who dotes to the
Assyrians and the Laws of the dragon.
Hillary Clinton to visit
Hillary Clinton will visit Israel next week.
The Democratic senator from New York will attend a joint security conference
beginning Nov. 11, her office said Wednesday. Clinton’s husband, former
President Clinton, is also due in Israel next week to attend memorial ceremonies
for slain Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.(Who the Dan
As part of her visit, Hillary Clinton is to view a portion of the West Bank
security barrier, a controversial project that she has defended as a protective
measure for Israel, The Associated Press reported.
jewish Homelandt 'Say" kurity of Eretz Itsreall Jewrisdiction US shemborg
U.S. security officials
go to Israel
U.S. officials are scheduled to travel to Israel to learn about homeland
Some 30 law enforcement and security professionals from across the United
States will travel to Israel on Friday for a one-week look at how Israel deals
with homeland security.
The mission is sponsored by a group called Security Solutions International.
Since tonight is turning out to be chassidic video night, here are some
crackers. They all come from the chabad site http://www.chabad.fm
and all take place in the 770 basement in the last month or so. And what do
they show? Chabadnikim behaving as if the rebbe was in the room with them,
flesh and blood.
Take this one
, for example,
from Motzai Rosh Hashanah. I would freely confess that from the video, it's a
bit hard for the uninitiated to tell what's going on -- but here is the
description, from the site itself
, of what you're watching:
היום (ד'), יום ב'
הוראתו הק' של
מלך המשיח (והלכה
וחילק 'כוס של
וכו' בידו הק',
למשך כ-18 דקות.
מזג לעוד א'
In other words, they EXPLICITELY say that that the rebbe himself was not only
there -- but made havdalah and brachah achronah, and even poured the
entitled, 'Minchah with the Rebbe'. The portal explains:
המלך, חזרת הש"ץ,
Ie., it shows davening -- 'from the entrance of the king' (the Rebbe). And as
can be seen -- at the beginning of the video they leave a big opening for the
Rebbe to come to his chair, and they do the same thing at the end, when the
Rebbe leaves, as they did during his lifetime.
Watch the other videos
site as well for many similar scenes.
The links originally came to me through an email I was forwarded from David
Berger, containing an exchange with Prof. Marc Shapiro on these videos. Berger
I hope that rabbis who look at this material will ask themselves if they
would be comfortable having the participants in this prayer service, which
took place a few days ago in the hub of the worldwide Lubavitch movement,
serve as shochtim, sofrim, edim, dayyanim, shul rabbis, machshirim, and
mechanchim... It is a mitzvah for every rabbinic authority to watch the
first video... The problem (not the only one) is that they won't. My only
quarrel is with the phrase "the closest thing." [Shapiro wrote
that this is the 'closest thing that we have to idolatry -- MS.]The video I
saw (minchah at 770) is arguably only close to avodah zarah since you can't
prove that they are praying to the Rebbe, but it is likely that it is full
az. The reason is that there is independent evidence that the phrase "Avinu
malkenu ein lanu melekh ella attah" is said by these chevre with the
Rebbe in mind as "atzmut u-ahut placed in a body" understood in an
utterly literal fashion. (See p. 178 of the new Hebrew version of my book.)
Thus, it is probably no coincidence that the line of avinu malkenu that they
chose to include in this video is that line. If this is so, as it probably
is, then we are watching people praying to the invisible Rebbe sitting in
that seemingly empty chair in his capacity as a full embodiment of the
deity. The halakhic status of the main shul at 770 is precisely that of the
main sanctuary of St. Patrick's Cathedral. If, however, one wishes to reject
this understanding of the video, then it is not the closest thing we have to
Jewish az. The reason is that many Lubavitch hasidim undoubtedly engage in
full az; see pp.
176-178 of the Hebrew book. The widespread acceptance of these people as
Orthodox Jews and even Orthodox rabbinic authorities is nothing less than
the abolition of the theological core of the Jewish religion.
Agree or disagree, just remember that these videos, by their own admission,
show much more than Lubavitchers professing, theoretically, to believe in a
live Rebbe -- they're behaving as if they can see him and as if he is
physically not only in the room with them, but acting and interacting with
others. As much as I am fond of Lubavitch, I'm not even sure this is the closest
religion to Judaism any more...
Goeth into Perdition
Rv:13:11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.